A Third Party Presidential Bid in 2024?

As an entrenched Independent, unaffiliated voter, I have the ability to consider people as diverse as Andrew Yang (former Democrat), Tulsi Gabbard (former Democrat), Joe Manchin (common-sense Democrat), Ron DeSantis (common-sense Republican), and a few others.

But, if any of them run on a third-party ticket and gain any support, it will end up getting a Democrat elected. That's the way it always works, without fail!

. "Now WHY would you say that?!"

 

The only reason Ross Perot failed is Ross Perot. He had mad support, then he quit, then he got back in. Wishy-washy was the reason, here.

Calling Ron DeSantis a common sense Republican is nonsense.

I will never again support an R or D for any office. I'll vote against any incumbent, though. My pencil is solidly for a third party at the presidential level, though. Never again will I let fear rule my voting. I don't care how much team A tries to scare me that team B is the devil incarnate. Meh - who cares. At that level; they are all evil. It's by design.

 

I feel remorse over a number of things I've done, including voting two times in a row for a third-party candidate. I won't do it again. We don't have a parliamentary form of government, and we don't have ranked-voting, either. The way this country has been set up and run for a very long time now, it's either one political party or the other. There's winners, and losers. And I'm damned sick and tired of being stuck with presidents of the kind we have throughout the 21st-century!

 

Although I generally agree with you on the general idiocy of third party Presidential voting, it can make sense if you live in a state that strongly leans one way or the other. It's a way of registering a protest vote without helping throw the election.

 

It's only rational if you truly do not care which of the two major parties wins, or if you're in a place so red or blue that your vote really has no chance of making any difference. Our system inevitably leads to two parties. If 3rd parties want to do anything besides spoil the party they are most similar to, they need to run in the context of ranked choice voting only.

 

Oh, hell, if it really comes down to Biden versus Trump, then I'll vote for Trump and be despondently seething with anger for weeks afterwards. I can actually remember when the Democrat Party was really a good party, a party of normal, hardworking, taxpaying, patriotic people who loved the United States. I grew up in a Democrat Party family, a Democrat Party-dominated state, and was very happy to be so.

That, like so much else that was wonderful in this country, is GONE. So, here we probably go with yet another round of "the lesser of two evils".

 

Because everyone is afraid to take a stand against evil. Complicit people deserve run amok government. You can vote for it. I will shout from the rooftops that it’s all the same. I refuse to condone it.

Americans are not brave. They are afraid. Brave people don’t tolerate the **** Americans take as normal. Our freedoms are dwindling, specifically because we aren’t brave.

I’m not going to play anymore.

 

In the vast majority of states in the US, your individual vote in a Presidential election does not count if you are not in the majority in your state. For many decades this was less glaringly a problem as the president’s election aligned with the tally of the general majority. Not so much the past three decades. Amusingly I suppose it is the party now represented by whining victims that has benefitted from winning whilst losing. Losers in charge, innit?

 

You reveal that you would hate yourself for your choice even if you make the "right" choice.
Why not hate yourself anyway, as you've said you will in any event, but make a choice you could stomach?

 

I make no secret of the fact that I despise this whole "lesser-of-two-evils" methodology we've been living with in this country since at least the beginning of the 21st-century.

There's a LOT I don't like about Donald Trump and his previous policies -- but, there's a LOT MORE that I dislike about Joe Biden and his policies. Maybe I've just lost too much pride and self-esteem, because at this point I just want a VICTORY over "wokeism", rampant lawlessness, open borders, and obviously unfair, unequal treatment of American citizens who are supposed to be EQUAL UNDER THE LAW! Under Biden there has been no improvement in any of that, and there won't be any improvement, either.

 

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  Koch network raises $70M to go all in on sinking Trump

 

No labels is a spoiler organization designed to pull votes from Democratic candidates with the purpose of installing republicans into seats they couldn't win legitimately.

 

They might win if the Democrats and Republicans nominate Biden and Trump.

 

Nope. If they actually get a candidate fielded tRump will win and the nation will suffer.

That's the whole point.

 

If the choices are Trump and Biden then the nation will suffer either way. I voted for Biden last time; he has forfeited any claim to my vote. I have never voted for Trump and will not.

 

Biden has done an outstanding job IMHO. Far better than I expected when I voted for him as "not tRump". This time I will be voting for him instead of against the other candidate.

 

As you wish. Your vote is your business, as mine is mine.

 

And so we see the Republican Party getting all set up to have its own internal "civil war", thus making it even harder to imagine that we'll ever get the far-Left wokesters out of power in this country.

When the Right chooses to commit suicide, how can the Left lose?

 

Defeat of Trump would be good for the country.

 

And so would packing Geriatric Joe off to an old folk's home. But, WHY can't we have better candidates than EITHER of them?!

 

Because we thrive on hate and scandal. Reasonable will never get to the WH again. Why would they run? The other side will just paint them as evil, and 30% of the country will believe it without giving it another thought.

 

Based upon that analysis, I guess you have not voted for Abraham Lincoln in 1864 when the Civi War was almost won on the battlefield but still could have been lost because of politics. I don’t know if I would have voted for FDR in 1940, but his election turned out for the best in light of World War II. Voting requires more thought than merely opposing the establishment for the sake of sending a message with a dangerous demagogue like Ross Perot or Huey Long.

 

Yes, I agree. It seems like a majority of voters don’t want another race between Biden and Trump, and yet we appear to be stuck with them. Both of them are too old. Biden is probably corrupt and definitely senile.

Trump is arrogant and nasty and incapable of building a competent team to support him. His appointments to have high offices have mostly been disasters (e.g. Christopher Wray) or people who are now on the outs with him. Name one person that Trump has appointed that now isn’t an SOB in Trump’s opinion. The man does not have the temperament to be a good president.

 

Nope. Sorry. Thanks for playing. You know damned well that the political climate has gone from civil to nasty in a few decades. I’ll vote for anyone willing to turn down the heat on the negative rhetoric.

 

Sadly if there are people who turn down the heat, they will not be heard. If it is a Republican who rolls over like that, the progressive Democrats will roll over him or her. There are politicians who are more civil than Trump, like Tim Scott, but the passive approach is dead.

The progressive Democrats are revolutionary want a bees. Their goal is to change the culture and politics of the United States permanently. Forgot any ideas about “reaching across the aisle” and bi-partisanship. The Democrats’ idea of a good Republican is a politician who votes with them 100% of the time.