A Very American Coup

Trump didn't fail in 2016 though did he so we can't really say he fails at "everything" -- Can you smell what ol Carrot Top's Got Cookin Lassie .. Will be "Like a Breath of Fresh Air" - Think the "Kool" cigarette ads way back when

 

Yes, it was a protest that turned into a riot, it was no coup, it was was no attack on democracy, it was no different to the 2016 "Not my president" protests or anything BLM/Antifa did. Stop vilifying the opposition, that is a truly democratic mindset.

 

Yes. They "spontaneously" brought pipe bombs, bear spray and the materials to build a gallows.

They were invited on 1/6, stirred up and cut loose on the Capitol. A "riot"? *LOL*

 

flukes happen

because no one thought Republicans would ever support such an immoral pig, many on the left did not bother to get out and vote

 

…cause everyone knows the words “peacefully protest “……thems fightin words.

 

Good Grief you are out of the loop Fresh Air .. Since when has Red not supported Immoral Pigs ? Do you not remember the Child Molestor who ran a few years ago.. Long as you stand up and say "Praise Jesus" .. all is forgiven

 

You live in a one dimensional world? The Guardian's business model is to have no paywall and to ask for donations/ voluntary subscriptions. As a result of this they are growing enormously. They have no desire to make profit as they have no real "owner" (either to bankroll them or to suck out dividends). Their goal is to be influential, without large donors or owners. Those who give don't do it to rescue the Guardian. They do it to fund the Guardian's growth. Did you think Google, Facebook and Tesla were failing when they kept going to the stock market to "beg for money"? You really need to leave your prejudice aside when assessing things like this. A little knowledge is dangerous thing. Drink deeply or touch not the Pierian spring.

The GOP/Trumpistas no longer believe in democracy and freedom. "America is a Republic not a Democracy" they grunt obsequiously with wordplay as crude and philistine as the worst communist propagandist. They have utterly abdicated the USA's position as the leader of the free world. The unreliability of the USA is very clear now and it marks a sad beginning of American decline. It is true that institutions and democratic processes still exist, but Trumpistas, Republicans and all who do not repudiate them are now dismantling these organs of democracy and freedom. A navel gazing, inward looking American populace will give these new fascists a free pass, just as a decisive minority of "cultured" and "advanced" Germans gave the NSDAP a free pass in the early 30s.

The grotesque shamelessness of the gerrymandering is the sharpest example. The collapse of liberal democracy (if you understand that term other than as a piece of American political abuse) is everywhere in the "West" and nowhere more than in the USA. Try leaving your county, or even your State to see it. Why would anyone look to a "West" now led by criminals, liars, fraudsters and cheats? Where democrats across the world struggle for freedom against tyrants they first have to disassociate themselves now from America, so tainted and rotten is its reputation now compared to twenty years ago. Why would anyone be impressed by a system where tens of millions of Americans, supposedly privileged by having been citizens of the most advanced democracy there is, have bought the snake oil and are swivelling their eyes in wonder at their own grotesque ignorance. An America which the developing world once aped and imitated. An America which sheltered a Europe whose "storied pomp" was fading and that could only sneer to hide its embarassment. This once shining America is now seen universally as a nation of stinking hypocrites, unreliable partners, shysters and liars. Democracy is seen now only as a lever of power, devoid of principle. Liberty is seen only for elites, racial, economic, religious or whatever. When the French Revolutionary Madame Roland said, at the foot of the scaffold, "oh Liberte, que de crimes on commets en ton nom!" she could not have imagined the American counter-revolution of the 2020s. Now new American Tories desecrate the memories of America's Founding Fathers and drive America back to the rule of a monarch (Trump), underlined by feudal forms of Christianity (which most Founders, being Deists and Theists, despised). Today's counter revolutionaries, as with the loyalist monarchists of old, reek of superstition and dogma and are explicitly contemptuous of science and progress. And for Madame Roland they do this in the name of liberty as they plunge the world into darkness.

Wanting democracy to triumph isn't enough. If you support the GOP now in any way whatsoever you are digging democracy's grave. America day by day becomes a threat to liberty in the world.

 

Yes, a riot. Of course it wasn't, didn't you watch the footage? Yes some did but that doesn't alter the facts, this was a protest which turned into a riot, there was no conspiracy, certainly not from the government.

The Guardian is on the way out, losing a third of its' readership in the last 5 years. It actually celebrated breaking even in 2019 after years of losing millions.

"If you support the GOP now in any way whatsoever you are digging democracy's grave."

If you really believe that YOU are digging democracies' grave, that anyone who disagrees with you and votes for another party is wrong? The whole basis of democracy is that people have a right disagree. How could you consider yourself believing in democracy yet denying other people their viewpoint?

"America day by day becomes a threat to liberty in the world"

America is the greatest hope for democracy in the world.

 

Lies (about the Guardian, where the relationship between "growth" and "cash" has been explained but you seem to lack the ability to process the argument). The rest is superficial trite bollocks. The lack of seriousness of Republicans just shows the era of darkness they are ushering in. To suggest that opposition to gerrymandering, blatant lies about stolen elections, double standards on judicial appointments, and a track record by mainstream republicans of attempting to destroy the democratic process is "denying other people their viewpoint" is pure Orwellian doublespeak on their part. The GOP is about suppressing "other people's viewpoint". This is their consistent position and track record. Their attempt to subvert the 2020 election is an example. But this was just a rehearsal. Next time they will be far more effective because they will have replaced the soft GOP election officials who thought that integrity was an important human quality. Democratic votes will be disqualified under partisan laws passed by GOP State legislatures. Whena Trump wants a GOP official to "find me 12000 votes", as the President of the United States did in Georgia, it will next time be done. The shameful lack of condemnation for that blatant attempt to subvert democracy shows you where the values of ALL republicans lie (with the exception of a small number of rebels). The United States, due to a fascist take-over of its conservative party, is not only destroying its own democracy, but sooner, rather than later will come for the rest of us. We are not prepared.

 

Exactly. It continues to astonish me that Trumpers try to diminish an attack on the Capitol.

 

It is much more likely that he will win it outright.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-leads-biden-in-new-2024-matchup-poll/ar-AARGFyf

 

As long as the Democrats push to allow fake absentee ballots, unverified ballot harvesting and allowing anyone to vote with no ID being they could have just walked across the border, then elections will never be fair.

 

He hates the right people. It is surprising to me how much that motivates some pols, and I think it may be surprising to them too but there is also the fact of liking the chauffeur driven limo and the "complimentary" dinners/rooms at the best restaurants/hotels most of which are owned or beholden to the king of "le patrones"

 

Have you ever voted yourself? How can someone vote if they are not registered?

 

By impersonating a registered voter. That is why voter id is important.

 

Absolutely right. Millions of mail in ballots where fraudulent in 2020. Republican state leaders have a responsibility to guarantee the legitimacy of every single ballot. Democrat leaders want exactly the opposite.

 

Or vote in more than one state, since voter roles are notoriously out of date.

 

This is the proof that American democracy is on its death bed. Sheer bald faced lies, that never get even seriously proposed in a court, continue to be accepted by millions of moronic brain washed American voters. When you meet an American it is wise to be as cautious as when you meet a Russian: assume they are a Trump supporting fascist just as you should assume a Russian is a Putin supporting totalitarian. That should be the default poison now - Americans are enemies of freedom unless they specifically demonstrate otherwise. They have abdicated global leadership. They are now rightly seen as liars and hypocrites the world over. Either that or effete liberals in denial.

 

They don't (and I'm not a Trump supporter), they just see it for what it was, a riot where those who took part should be punished for their offences (as should BLM/Antifa). Left wingers speak of it like Biden was standing on the steps of the palace with a pistol in his hand whilst Pinochet sent the jets in.

 

Come on, The Guardian is on the way out, dying like the left wing of the Labour party. How can it be doing well as its' readership wanes? The DNC gerrymanders just as much as the GOP, both sides play the same games when it comes to judicial appointments, it was the DNC who disputed Trump's win "not my president", there is no "track record" of Republicans tryin to destroy the democratic process.

What "fascist takeover"? What on earth are you talking about? There was no attempt to subvert democracy, just a protest that turned into riot.

 

They broke into the Capitol building to try to stop the EC certification. Yeah, that's a mere "riot".

How you can continue to raise this ridiculous claim is puzzling and demonstrates a deliberate myopia.

 

It was just a protest turned into a riot, exactly that and nothing more

 

*LOL*

Nope. It was planned. Pay attention to the 1/6 committee. Moreover, a "riot" doesn't adequately describe breaking into the Capitol building looking to capture members of Congress and hang to VP for merely carrying out their Constitutional duties.

Quit gulping down the bullshit fed to you from the extreme RW kooks and the Orange Kook.

 

Many came with weapons and, oh yeah, they had openly discussed their plans to break in prior to doing so, including: "If we occupy the Capitol building, there will be no vote," with the top response being "GOTTA OVERWHELM THE BARRICADES AND COPS" on TheDonald.win.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/ju...-about-plans-attack-capitol-why-aren-n1264291

And that's still not the worst of them. The worst were there to overthrow the government and hunt down lawmakers. But all of them were there to do what Trump and many others told them to do, namely "stop the steal" -- by force. That meant stopping the functioning of Congress. It meant insurrection:

in·sur·rec·tion
/ˌinsəˈrekSH(ə)n/
a violent uprising against an authority or government.​

 

No way! It was "just a riot".