A very simple and easy to understand explanation of why climate change is REAL.

yguy · May 7, 2018

iamanonman said: ↑

1960 is just a subset.
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Your point being...?

At the very least the data requires post processing to homogenize the data.
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IOW, recorded entries have to be replaced with guesses so as to impart to the dataset (or subset, if you prefer) the appearance of adequacy. Got that about right, haven't I?

Deficiencies, if they are discovered, need to be rectified.
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That train left the station 58 years ago.

You can't just let a problem go and pretend like everything is okay.
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Dunno why the hell not, since you are clearly sanguine about pretending to fix a problem and pretending like everything is OK.

bringiton · May 10, 2018

iamanonman said: ↑

So...just ignore the last 40 years of warming then?
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No, the data altered to create a spurious warming.

bringiton · May 10, 2018

yguy said: ↑

There is no such thing as an active dataset.
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Well, there are datasets -- in fact, nothing but such datasets -- that are actively being altered and managed to conform to AGW theory.

AlphaOmega · May 10, 2018

Beer w/Straw said: ↑

Well, I'll probably be leaving this forum voluntarily as all my recent posts have been deleted.
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join the club. They are going nutty imo.

DennisTate · May 17, 2018

AboveAlpha said: ↑

The East Coast is being effected faster due to the Glacier Greenland ice melt and North Pole ice melt.

AA
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I wonder how this poll will go over the next year or two?

How much longer will central Antarctica save our coastal communities?

How much longer will the addition of water to Antarctica protect low lying land?

*
Ten years
1 vote(s)
100.0%

Twenty years
0 vote(s)
0.0%

Thirty years...
0 vote(s)
0.0%

Forty years...
0 vote(s)
0.0%

More than forty years.....
0 vote(s)
0.0%

Change Your Vote

http://www.habtheory.com/1/100.php

At a symposium of the Union of Geodesy and geophysics, Dr. Pyyotor Shoumsky reported that the south polar ice cap was growing at a minimum rate of 293 cubic miles of ice annually. To put that number in perspective, Lake Erie contains only 109 cubic miles of water.
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Thus, a volume of ice forms on top of the existing ice at Antarctica each year which is almost three times the volume of water in Lake Erie!.....
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DennisTate · Jul 26, 2018

AboveAlpha said: ↑

Members here can argue against GW all they want but there is ONE INDISPUTABLE FACT!!

That being that due to overall higher global temps. Polar and Greenland Glacier Ice Melt is causing the worlds oceans or sea levels to RISE AT AN UNPRECEDENTED RATE!!

Coastal U.S. Cities such as Boston, NY, Miami...etc.....are spending BILLIONS UPON BILLIONS OF DOLLARS to combat rising ocean sea levels by building everything from coastal breakwaters and damns and dikes to building Multi-Billion Dollar Ocean Water Pumping Stations like in NY and Miami as sea levels are so high RIGHT NOW that even a small or moderate storm water surges are COMPLETELY FLOODING the streets of such cities and flooding the street drainage and sewer systems thus these massive pumping stations are necessary.

So members can argue all they want but what is HAPPENING NOW cannot be denied!!

AA
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I finally have another possible role in mind for AboveAlpha.......
I tried my best to convince him to enter the DNC leadership race back in 2015........
I eventually came up with another role for him of "Artistic Director for the NSA - CIA" and now..... I have another one in mind.........
AboveAlpha's thought patterns.....
much as in the movie
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcendence_(2014_film)

... .can be used to form the Mr. Gordons....... (a Cyborg)...... in the updated
Remo Williams films that I feel could even be used to positively alter the USA - North Korea relationship..............

Mitt Romney, The White Horse President Prophecy and North Korea.

I have nominated AboveAlpha for a role that is crucial in Jewish latter day predictions.......... He deserves to be prayed for and seriously considered for that role...... that frankly is up there with King David or Moses........ or more directly..... the final King Cyrus type like President Donald J. Trump.

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...s-for-the-role-of-elijah-needed.499830/page-3

DennisTate · Oct 11, 2018

TheGreatSatan said: ↑

Ok, so at the rate earth is warming, how long till the sea level rises a foot?
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If you are in certain parts of Nova Scotia, Canada where the world's highest tides take place........
it could be pretty soon?!

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...-tides-question.463012/page-8#post-1069735194
Geology, physics, high tides question.

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Well said.... here is a related article on this phenomena from a local newspaper.......

https://www.thechronicleherald.ca/r...reaten-low-lying-isthmus-of-chignecto-247312/

High tides threaten low-lying Isthmus of Chignecto

Former premier Roger Bacon wants to see the dikes in the Amherst area built higher. - Francis Campbell
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This is good news for President TRump though......
M. L. A. Lenore Zann may be willing to do her "damsel in distress" act.... and President Trump can perhaps decide to come to her rescue.... with a trillion or so?!

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ump-has-a-4-3-trillion-dollar-problem.531929/

P. M. Netanyahu, President Trump has a 4.3 trillion dollar problem....

M.L.A. Lenore Zann... proposal for NDP and Conservative cooperation on....

DennisTate · Oct 11, 2018

Please notice post #144 at that link.......
isn't this idea so much more practical than a CARBON TAX?????

DennisTate said: ↑

I posed the following question on Facebook and got back what I consider to be a truly brilliant response:

Common Sense Conservatives for Maxime Bernier
https://www.facebook.com/groups/695775904114191/

Mervyn DePendleton:
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Geology, physics, high tides question.

.....
The threat of rising ocean levels could unite humanity around the project of large scale desalination of ocean water to turn deserts green as predicted in Isaiah chapter 35. Because the eastern region of the Bay of Fundy here in Canada experiences the world's highest tides........ we Canadians are somewhat forced to think about this problem in a different way than somebody else who is far inland away from the ocean.

....... "I have began to wonder if I am missing some
important factor that would cause my line of
reasoning to be in error regarding a theory I
have put out there on just how much of an increase
in high tides might occur along parts of the Bay of Fundy
where we already experience the world's highest tides.

I live in Guysborough County, Nova Scotia. The
difference between low tide to high tide on a normal
day is one to one and a half meters.... along fifty kms of
coastline here.

There are places along the Bay of Fundy where the difference
from low tide to high tide.... .can be fifty feet or more.

This occurs notably near Truro, N. S. and Moncton, New Brunswick.

The landform of the Bay of Fundy has a funnelling effect on
the tidal waters as they come in............ and so the multiplier
effect on the tides there is FIFTEEN TIMES.... or even more in
some areas.

What if...... a massive cracking and sliding of ice were to occur
on the land based Greenland Ice Pack and/or the West Antarctic
Ice Sheet..... and lets speculate that average world oceans rose by
merely one foot, (30 cms).

IF... .that 15X multiplier effect carried through...... then.......
perhaps in a few places along the Bay of Fundy.... high tides might
be up by 30 cms x 15 = 450 cms or 4.5 meters.

In my part of Nova Scotia the high tide mark might not be up by much more
than the thirty centimeteres...... due to the fact that the land form where I live
DOES NOT have a 15 X multiplier effect on tidal waters.

Am I being alarmist and really missing some important factor that
makes my theory terribly in error?" (June 28, 2016)

...... "Although I am no expert and did not even finish university I have concluded that
the 10 X to 15 X multiplier for high tides in the eastern area of the Bay of Fundy ............. could well continue to follow through if average ocean levels were to
rise a significant amount. There are two primary reasons:

1. The land form of the Bay of Fundy funnels high tide waters from a very wide
area of the Atlantic Ocean into a more and more narrow area.

2. The fact that the distance from Yarmouth to Truro, Nova Scotia is about 174 miles......
means that the waters of the previous high tide......... cannot sufficiently drain before the next high tide
begins to come in........... WHICH MEANS THAT THE NEW HIGH TIDE WATERS..... tend to pile on top of.....
the receding high tide waters! (It takes over four hours to drive from Truro to Yarmouth Nova Scotia..... and obvioulsy
the receding high tide waters cannot travel as fast as our cars so each new high tide for the Bay of Fundy..... adds to the previous high tide waters that were not able to fully drain from the Fundy)!

So....... a one foot worldwide average increase in ocean levels could well produce high tide levels that could be up by ten to fifteen feet along parts of the eastern area of the Bay of Fundy. " (August 10, 2018, post #114 here):
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Mervyn DePendleton:

Well from an engineering point of view if it was a sure thing and time would allow the answer is not going to be try to air condition the Antarctic. I would think in terms of cutting a relief channel. That would be between Sackville and Amherst would be to excavate a canal that would only start to receive water when the tide is up approximately the half of normal height and this canal would have to continue sloping down and terminate in the Gulf of St. Lawrence across from PEI.

No doubt such an undertaking would get bad reviews from a lot of environmentalist but it could save some of the low level human habitation on the banks of the Bay of Fundy. When I visited the area I remember on the N.B. side that there was a lot of high ground as you went inland from the shore of the Bay.

Another approach would be to think like the Seaway Project where Cardinal and Morrisburg and lots of farms and places on the Canadian side of the St. Lawrence were moved and the land flooded with the power dam near Cornwall. The idea with Fundy would in the energy extraction view would be to tell all the low land people to hit it, your property is ruined. At the sea entrance somewhere more in the direction toward St. John to create a one way valve type mechanism. Let the tide water come rushing and don't let it leave right away. When the tide forces have receded then release the water through turbines to generate electricity. From half tide to low tide and back to just coming back again all the stored water has to be used. It might also be possible to get some energy out of the water when it is rushing in at high tide.

I'm sure some high math and some good engineers could get the greatest benefit possible from conditions we otherwise cannot control. Also do not give up on the earth getting ever hotter as it may well be cooling for a while before us. All the end of world alarmist like Paul Ehrlich and the peak oil we would be burning camel dung by 1999 alarmist have all failed miserably in their predictions. The big problem with all of them is that they are trying to tell us something about the future. Conservative minded people know the secret, if you want to predict the future get out in front of it and do something to shape the future with your own hands.

A good place to get better views of the climate future is here

http://www.drroyspencer.com/
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RodB · Oct 11, 2018

DennisTate said: ↑

If you are in certain parts of Nova Scotia, Canada where the world's highest tides take place........
it could be pretty soon?! ....
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....., or not. How does global warming affect tides????

DennisTate · Oct 11, 2018

RodB said: ↑

....., or not. How does global warming affect tides????
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In one sense...... in ways that a Carbon Tax would never be able to alleviate fast enough!

A carbon tax will NOT work fast enough to address WAIS collapse.

DennisTate said: ↑

A tax on carbon will take centuries to address the real issues associated with the impending collapse of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet!

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015...antarctic-ice-sheet-raise-sea-levels-3-meters
Just a nudge could collapse West Antarctic Ice Sheet, raise sea levels 3 meters

We need to be researching and discussing options that can work much faster!

Every cubic meter of ocean water that is desalinated and added to the water table of North Africa or Qatar of Jordan or Israel...... will NOT be putting pressure on the oceans to overflow New Orleans, Bangladesh, The Netherlands and parts of Florida!

Japanese engineers don't merely design good cars!

http://www.ssb-foundation.com
Sahara Solar Breeder Foundation
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http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015...antarctic-ice-sheet-raise-sea-levels-3-meters

Just a nudge could collapse West Antarctic Ice Sheet, raise sea levels 3 meters

It wont take much to cause the entire West Antarctic Ice Sheet to collapseand once it starts, it wont stop. In the last year, a slew of papers has highlighted the vulnerability of the ice sheet covering the western half of the continent, suggesting that its downfall is inevitableand probably already underway. Now, a new model shows just how this juggernaut could unfold. A relatively small amount of melting over a few decades, the authors say, will inexorably lead to the destabilization of the entire ice sheet and the rise of global sea levels by as much as 3 meters.

Previous models have examined the onset of the collapse in detail. In 2014, two papers, one in Science and one in Geophysical Review Letters, noted that the Thwaites Glacier, which some scientists call the weak underbelly of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet, has retreated dramatically over the past 2 decades. Most Antarctic researchers chalk this up to warm seawater melting the floating ice shelves at their bases; seawater temperatures there have risen since the 1970s, in part because of global temperature increases. Right now, an underwater ledge is helping anchor the glacier in place. But when the glacier retreats past that bulwark, it will collapse into the ocean; then seawater will intrude and melt channels into the ice sheet, setting the juggernaut in motion.
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DennisTate · Oct 11, 2018

SuperfluousNinja said: ↑

Greenhouse gases absorb radiation from the sun. More gas leads to more radiation absorption.

Carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas.

The chemical processes that drive our cars, fly our planes, or operate any motor with oil-based fuel give off carbon dioxide as a byproduct of this chemical reaction.

And most obviously, we wouldn't be burning this fuel if we hadn't built all this machinery that burns oil, adds carbon dioxide to the atmosphere, and absorbs radiation from the sun.

There's a very simple display here at the Science Museum of Minnesota that demonstrates this.

If you deny that climate change is caused by us, you HAVE to disprove one of the unassailable facts above. You realize that, right?
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But.... what about the theory put forward by my New Mexico friend Mr. Carl Cantrell?

My two somewhat humorous submissions for $25 million Virgin Earth Challenge.

Global Warming II by Carl Cantrell

So how is our problem of continental drying causing global warming? It all has to do with vegetation and sunlight. When sun light hits a plant, it causes a process which we call photosynthesis where the energy from the sun light creates oxygen for us to breath, water for us to drink, and is stored as sugar for plants and animals to use. When the same sun light hits the soil, all of its energy turns into heat and is radiated back into the atmosphere, carried away by running surface water such as rain fall, is carried away to other areas by our winds, and diffuses down into the soil towards the earth's crust. All of this warms our planet increasing its average temperature.

Therefore, the less vegetation you have on the planet, the more sunlight is being turned into heat and the warmer the planet becomes. This is very critical because warmer and dryer winds dry out other land areas faster decreasing the vegetation on those land areas. Less humidity in the air also reflects less sun light back out into space so that more sun light strikes the earth and more heat is generated.

The truth is that you can do more to decrease global warming by just reducing the average temperature for the Sahara Desert by one or two degrees than if we humans completely quit using fossil fuels and returned to the cave.

So, how would you start working to resolve this problem? Easy, cool the deserts and get some vegetation growing on them as soon as possible. But the method is much more complex than that. You have to use the prevailing trade winds in relation to the deserts to get the best results as quickly as possible and it will be extremely expensive.

Then we build desalination plants along the coast near these water sheds and pipe water to the tops or ridges of the water sheds

This will do a number of things. First, it will increase the moisture in the desert soil so that it will develop water tables and water will begin to run in the streams. This water will increase the amount of vegetation in the area and decrease the amount of heat being generated by sun light cooling the watered area and all areas down wind of the watered area. As more available water evaporates, it will cool the air and reflect more sun light back out into space cooling the area even more. Cooler and more humid air will have less of a heating effect on areas down wind and will reflect more sun light back into space in those areas cooling areas we won't be watering yet. Cooler and more humid air will also have less of a warming effect on our seas and oceans.

Rain water running off of cooler soil will decrease the heating effect on our oceans and our planet crusts which will decrease catastrophic storm activities for other areas and seismic activity for the entire planet. Also, returning more ocean water to the surface and aquifers of our continents will lower the sea levels providing more usable land for us to farm and build on.

With cooler desert areas and increasing vegetation, less water will evaporate from our deserts increasing the amount of surface water even more and increasing the amount of vegetation and animal life by huge amounts because deserts currently take up more than 20% of our land surface. Populations will be able to spread out and there will be less competition for existing land areas.

This strategy has to be done in steps with the first step being to begin slowing the rate at which our global warming is increasing. We need to focus on that until we have brought it to a point to where the temperature is not increasing any more and is reasonably stable. While we are doing this, we need to come to a global consensus of just how cool we want to cool our planet down to. If we cool it down too much, we will begin to have devastatingly harsh winters in large populated areas and even cause an ice age to set in.

Then we begin cooling the planet down to a point which will be most beneficial for all countries or the planet as a whole. We need to gradually bring the temperature down because there may be a lag effect in which the planet will continue cooling after we stop increasing our efforts to cool it off more. We may even want to stop cooling the planet once or twice before we reach our targeted temperatures to see if there is a lag effect

We need to start working on this as soon as possible because, if the planet reaches a point to where it is warming faster than our technology can possibly stop or reverse this warming trend, then our planet is lost and all life will cease to exist on this planet within a relatively short period of time. We will need to start with the largest and hottest deserts because cooling them will have the greatest benefit in the least time. (Global Warming II by biologist Carl Cantrell).
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logical1 · Oct 11, 2018

Oh climate change is real. It is ALWAYS changing. In the past it has been much hotter and much colder than it is now. The question is--------are the small changes we see now man made.

Robert · Dec 10, 2018

There is a lot more climate science out there than you are exposed to by Democrats.

jay runner · Dec 10, 2018

Xtremenerd said: ↑

great, what's your solution?
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Pour more concrete, cut 5000% more trees than necessary to build a road or highway, keep the forests ill-managed and burning. Always drive, never walk.

eathen lord · Dec 21, 2018

SuperfluousNinja said: ↑

Greenhouse gases absorb radiation from the sun. More gas leads to more radiation absorption.

Carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas.

The chemical processes that drive our cars, fly our planes, or operate any motor with oil-based fuel give off carbon dioxide as a byproduct of this chemical reaction.

And most obviously, we wouldn't be burning this fuel if we hadn't built all this machinery that burns oil, adds carbon dioxide to the atmosphere, and absorbs radiation from the sun.

There's a very simple display here at the Science Museum of Minnesota that demonstrates this.

If you deny that climate change is caused by us, you HAVE to disprove one of the unassailable facts above. You realize that, right?
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What if people are too politically divided to do much about it?

Robert · Dec 21, 2018

SuperfluousNinja said: ↑

Greenhouse gases absorb radiation from the sun. More gas leads to more radiation absorption.

Carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas.

The chemical processes that drive our cars, fly our planes, or operate any motor with oil-based fuel give off carbon dioxide as a byproduct of this chemical reaction.

And most obviously, we wouldn't be burning this fuel if we hadn't built all this machinery that burns oil, adds carbon dioxide to the atmosphere, and absorbs radiation from the sun.

There's a very simple display here at the Science Museum of Minnesota that demonstrates this.

If you deny that climate change is caused by us, you HAVE to disprove one of the unassailable facts above. You realize that, right?
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Greenhouse gases can also insulate earth. I believe in fact they do insulate the earth and this means less solar radiation gets to Earth. To blame man for climate at the very least hints man is in control over climate and has tot simply pull the right lever and the search chills. Believers never describe the chilling factor.

Think of it like this. You have a blanket. And you lie beneath the blanket. When it is cold above you, why are you warm?

Because you supply the heat that the blanket holds in to keep you warm.

But you also are not warming the room. At least very little.

Greenhouse gasses work both ways. The sun supplies most of our heat.

RodB · Dec 21, 2018

SuperfluousNinja said: ↑

Greenhouse gases absorb radiation from the sun. More gas leads to more radiation absorption.
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Greenhouse gases do not absorb radiation from the sun.

iamanonman · Dec 21, 2018

Robert said: ↑

Greenhouse gases can also insulate earth. I believe in fact they do insulate the earth and this means less solar radiation gets to Earth.
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Nah, that's not how it works. GHGs are generally transparent to incoming shortwave radiation, but opaque to outgoing longwave radiation. That's what makes them greenhouse gases.

Robert said: ↑

Believers never describe the chilling factor.
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Actually...the chilling factor that GHGs produce is the smoking gun for GHG warming. While the troposphere and hydrosphere warm the stratosphere cools. This happens because GHGs trap heat at the surface. This heat that would normally escape the troposphere no longer gets the opportunity to warm the stratosphere so it cools. There is no other physical process that can explain this unique observation. Literally...none.

DennisTate · Oct 28, 2020

AboveAlpha said: ↑

The East Coast is being effected faster due to the Glacier Greenland ice melt and North Pole ice melt.

AA
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The amount of cracking and sliding of ice off the land based Greenland Ice Pack in 2012 and 2019 seems kind of scary indeed!

Robert · Oct 28, 2020

DennisTate said: ↑

The amount of cracking and sliding of ice off the land based Greenland Ice Pack in 2012 and 2019 seems kind of scary indeed!
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Greenland has over 99 percent of the ice there as it had in 1900 reports tell us.

DennisTate · Oct 28, 2020

Robert said: ↑

Greenland has over 99 percent of the ice there as it had in 1900 reports tell us.
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Which is great news but because the ice on Greenland is land based if cracking and sliding of that ice picks up steam.......... we will need to do some serious thinking about turning deserts green through mega-scale desalination of ocean water.

Thankfully.... that is theoretically possible with 2020 technology.

Megascale Desalination
The world’s largest and cheapest reverse-osmosis desalination plant is up and running in Israel.

and doing something productive like this is a whole lot better than allowing a one hundred trillion dollar meltdown in the worldwide Derivatives markets that were seven hundred and ten trillion back in 2014.

Robert · Oct 28, 2020

iamanonman said: ↑

Nah, that's not how it works. GHGs are generally transparent to incoming shortwave radiation, but opaque to outgoing longwave radiation. That's what makes them greenhouse gases.

Actually...the chilling factor that GHGs produce is the smoking gun for GHG warming. While the troposphere and hydrosphere warm the stratosphere cools. This happens because GHGs trap heat at the surface. This heat that would normally escape the troposphere no longer gets the opportunity to warm the stratosphere so it cools. There is no other physical process that can explain this unique observation. Literally...none.
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That is called skipping the actual issue. So you equate short wave with long wave?

Greenhouse gasses are well known. But I could ask you to roam the earth to show me this vast dangerous trend if you want to.

Is it hotter in 2020 than in 1913?

July 10, 1913

The hottest air temperature ever recorded in Death Valley (Furnace Creek) was 134°F (57°C) on July 10, 1913. During the heat wave that peaked with that record, five consecutive days reached 129° F (54°C) or above.
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https://www.nps.gov/deva/learn/natu...e hottest air temperature ever,54°C) or above.

Robert · Oct 28, 2020

DennisTate said: ↑

Which is great news but because the ice on Greenland is land based if cracking and sliding of that ice picks up steam.......... we will need to do some serious thinking about turning deserts green through mega-scale desalination of ocean water.

Thankfully.... that is theoretically possible with 2020 technology.

Megascale Desalination
The world’s largest and cheapest reverse-osmosis desalination plant is up and running in Israel.

and doing something productive like this is a whole lot better than allowing a one hundred trillion dollar meltdown in the worldwide Derivatives markets that were seven hundred and ten trillion back in 2014..

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They alarm humans talking of the cold places they tell us are dangerous to man. But when they exagerrate, it does not help them make their case.

Iceland has lost ice. But is that dangerous? I think the correct reply is no it is not dangerous.

DennisTate · Oct 28, 2020

I liked this post on this topic by AboveAlpha.....

We have passed a THRESHOLD as no matter what we do we have gone BEYOND THE POINT OF A FIX as far as CLIMATE CHANGE.

NOTHING we do from this point on will stop the melting of the Northern and Southern Polar Sea Ice and the Greenland Glaciers.

Here in lies the problem and if you want to learn more run a search on this.....CDIAC.....CARBON DIOXIDE INFORMATION ANALYSIS CENTER.

The CDIAC is a part of the U.S. DOE...DEPT. OF ENERGY'S OFFICE OF SCIENCE at Oak Ridge National Labs.

If you watch the top of the web page there is a chart and every 20 to 30 seconds or so the CHART CHANGES and will give you the WORLD'S MOST ACCURATE AND UNBIASED DATA concerning CO2, CH4...which is METHANE which exists at the bottom of all Earth's Ocean's Arctic Lakes and within Permafrost and Tundra and CH4 holds in HEAT in our Atmosphere at a rate of approx.71 TIMES GREATER THAN CO2

The CH4 at the bottom of the Oceans and in Permafrost and Arctic Lakes exists as CH4 GEL or Methane Gel.

The Human generated emmisions of CO2 have warmed up the Earth's Ocean's and thus Air to a point that is CAUSING THE GEL FORM CH4 TO BUBBLE UP AND OUT INTO OUR ATMOSPHERE AS METHANE GAS!!!

This is how DIRE the problem is....the U.S. DOE's Office of Science's CDIAC is the ONLY DATA the U.S. Military considers to be trustworthy and viable thus this data is imputted into either Banked and Networked IBM Supercomputers or is imputted into the U.S. Military's new QUANTUM COMPUTERS for ONE SOLE PURPOSE!!!

That purpose is TO PLAN FOR THE EVENTUALITY OF WORLDWIDE WAR OVER RESOURCES!!!

What is going to happen and NOT MAYBE HAPPEN but WILL HAPPEN is this......when too much FRSH WATER is dumped into the NORTH ATLANTIC CURRENT or GULF STREAM which is a OCEAN WATER HEAT EXCHANGE SYSTEM.....as Warm Gulf of Mexico Water in a very strong current flows around the tip of Florida and up North up the East Coast and then angles across the Atlantic Ocean to the British Isles...which is by the U.K. which is further North than Massachusetts has much milder winters......

.....well the WARM WATER is LIGHTER and travels upon the top of the bottom COLD WATER THERMOCLINE....which is the COLD WATER flowing from the Arctic Ocean around Greenland and above the U.K. as this colder heavier water flows underneither the warmer lighter water coming up from the Gulf of Mexico......

......well there will come a day....SOON.....when the Earth has warmed up just a single degree to much and this will cause so much Polar and Greenland FRESH WATER ICE MELT....as the ICE that covers Greenland and the North Polar Arctic Ocean is FRESH WATER.....and because it is FRESH WATER....IT IS LIGHTER THAN OCEAN SALT WATER........

.......because of this when too much LIGHTER FRESH WATER MELTS AND IS DUMPED INTO THE NORTH ATLANTIC....as it is cold water but NOT SALT WATER....IT WILL WEIGH ROUGHLY ABOUT THE SAME WEIGHT AS THE WARM SALT WATER THAT IS FLOWING UP FROM THE GULF OF MEXICO AROUND THE TIP OF FLORIDA AND UP NORTH AND ACROSS THE ATLANTIC.

When this happens the Cold but FRESH WATER melted from Global Warming will STALL THE WARM SALT WATER TRAVELING NORTH FROM THE GULF OF MEXICO.

Thus warm water will stop flowing NORTH and the COLD WATER will STOP FLOWING SOUTH....as the COLD WATER will reach a point of desalinization so that it weighs the same as the WARM SALT WATER TRYING TO TRAVEL NORTH.

This will STALL THE NORTH ATLANTIC CURRENT'S HEAT TRANSFER SYSTEM!!!

And GUESS what happens next??

Have you ever watched the movie THE DAY AFTER TOMMORROW????

If you have....then you understand.

AboveAlpha
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DennisTate · Oct 28, 2020

Robert said: ↑

They alarm humans talking of the cold places they tell us are dangerous to man. But when they exagerrate, it does not help them make their case.

Iceland has lost ice. But is that dangerous? I think the correct reply is no it is not dangerous.
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But it has potential to divert the Middle East in a productive direction that would be a big improvement over warfare....

After the Abraham Peace Accord turn deserts green...

Book 005, Number 2208:
"Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (way peace be upon him) as saying: The Last Hour will not come before wealth becomes abundant and overflowing, so much so that a man takes Zakat out of his property and cannot find anyone to accept it from him and till the land of Arabia becomes meadows and rivers."
SAHIH MUSLIM, BOOK 25: The Book on General Behaviour (Kitab Al-Adab)

So how is our problem of continental drying causing global warming? It all has to do with vegetation and sunlight. When sun light hits a plant, it causes a process which we call photosynthesis where the energy from the sun light creates oxygen for us to breath, water for us to drink, and is stored as sugar for plants and animals to use. When the same sun light hits the soil, all of its energy turns into heat and is radiated back into the atmosphere, carried away by running surface water such as rain fall, is carried away to other areas by our winds, and diffuses down into the soil towards the earth's crust. All of this warms our planet increasing its average temperature.
Therefore, the less vegetation you have on the planet, the more sunlight is being turned into heat and the warmer the planet becomes. This is very critical because warmer and dryer winds dry out other land areas faster decreasing the vegetation on those land areas. Less humidity in the air also reflects less sun light back out into space so that more sun light strikes the earth and more heat is generated.
The truth is that you can do more to decrease global warming by just reducing the average temperature for the Sahara Desert by one or two degrees than if we humans completely quit using fossil fuels and returned to the cave.
So, how would you start working to resolve this problem? Easy, cool the deserts and get some vegetation growing on them as soon as possible. But the method is much more complex than that. You have to use the prevailing trade winds in relation to the deserts to get the best results as quickly as possible and it will be extremely expensive.
Then we build desalination plants along the coast near these water sheds and pipe water to the tops or ridges of the water sheds
This will do a number of things. First, it will increase the moisture in the desert soil so that it will develop water tables and water will begin to run in the streams. This water will increase the amount of vegetation in the area and decrease the amount of heat being generated by sun light cooling the watered area and all areas down wind of the watered area. As more available water evaporates, it will cool the air and reflect more sun light back out into space cooling the area even more. Cooler and more humid air will have less of a heating effect on areas down wind and will reflect more sun light back into space in those areas cooling areas we won't be watering yet. Cooler and more humid air will also have less of a warming effect on our seas and oceans.
Rain water running off of cooler soil will decrease the heating effect on our oceans and our planet crusts which will decrease catastrophic storm activities for other areas and seismic activity for the entire planet. Also, returning more ocean water to the surface and aquifers of our continents will lower the sea levels providing more usable land for us to farm and build on.
With cooler desert areas and increasing vegetation, less water will evaporate from our deserts increasing the amount of surface water even more and increasing the amount of vegetation and animal life by huge amounts because deserts currently take up more than 20% of our land surface. Populations will be able to spread out and there will be less competition for existing land areas.
This strategy has to be done in steps with the first step being to begin slowing the rate at which our global warming is increasing. We need to focus on that until we have brought it to a point to where the temperature is not increasing any more and is reasonably stable. While we are doing this, we need to come to a global consensus of just how cool we want to cool our planet down to. If we cool it down too much, we will begin to have devastatingly harsh winters in large populated areas and even cause an ice age to set in.
Then we begin cooling the planet down to a point which will be most beneficial for all countries or the planet as a whole. We need to gradually bring the temperature down because there may be a lag effect in which the planet will continue cooling after we stop increasing our efforts to cool it off more. We may even want to stop cooling the planet once or twice before we reach our targeted temperatures to see if there is a lag effect
We need to start working on this as soon as possible because, if the planet reaches a point to where it is warming faster than our technology can possibly stop or reverse this warming trend, then our planet is lost and all life will cease to exist on this planet within a relatively short period of time. We will need to start with the largest and hottest deserts because cooling them will have the greatest benefit in the least time. (Global Warming II by biologist Carl Cantrell).
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There is an ancient Islamic prediction that this would occur at this time and this sounds like a much more effective way to address stabilization of the climate than a silly Carbon Tax that would do essentially NOTHING to address the threat of rising ocean levels.

This fits with Isaiah chapter thirty five and with an alternative theory on stabilization of the climate put forward by a New Mexico biologist and coach.

With seven hundred and ten trillion dollars in the worldwide Derivatives markets as of 2014.... and with two hundred and ten TRILLION in the USA Derivatives markets.... this shift in attempting to stabilize the climate in a way that would actually address the threat of rising ocean levels...... and produce food........ and create jobs in areas of the world with lots of deserts........ and divert labour out of terrorist organizations into agriculture......... sounds like a step in the right direction.

Here is where I heard the statistic of two hundred and ten TRILLION USA petro-dollars for the USA Derivatives markets as of 2014 and seven hundred and ten trillion for the worldwide Derivatives markets. CIA economist Mr. Jim Rickards expressed his worry about a one hundred TRILLION dollar devaluation in the Derivatives markets. I am guessing that what has been happening has not exactly decreased his concerns.

FORGET IRAN, IRAQ, UKRAINE
THIS IS WHERE WWIII STARTS...

This video is over forty minutes long but well worth the investment of your time but if I were you I would stop after thirty minutes and begin it again because he goes off on a tangent at that time that I believe is no longer relevant for the vast majority of us.
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