A Window into Single Payer in the US

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  1. ptif219

    ptif219 Well-Known Member

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    You can not say the good erases the huge costs caused by inefficiency and fraud.

    You mean this EPA?

    http://www.businessweek.com/news/20...dismiss-well-contamination-case-against-range


    Or this EPA


    http://www.examiner.com/law-and-politics-in-national/supreme-court-slaps-epa-9-0-decision
     
  2. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yet government is under no such limitation at all and can shift cost in no way any business ever could so doesn't have any incentive to act responsible as to cost like a business would.
     
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    SiliconMagician Banned

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    Economic Freedom is messy, and sometimes expensive. Get over it.

    Economic freedom for an individual, or a individual private company, should almost always outweigh Economic Security for the collective.
     
  4. drj90210

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    those are not single payer coverage, those are gov run facilities

    you still pick your own "private" doctor
     
  6. drj90210

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    How could you have a "single-payer" system without it being run by the government?
     
  7. Diuretic

    Diuretic Well-Known Member

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    My doctor takes my Medicare card (all of us are issued with one) and makes an imprint and I sign it and that's it, I don't need to do anything else.

    If I go to a provider where I have to hand over cash I then take the receipt to my local Medicare office and get cash or get the money placed straight into my bank account.

    It can be done.
     
  8. Diuretic

    Diuretic Well-Known Member

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    Easy. A government department runs the payment system. Providers provide the health services. in Australia it is split into two - public and private sectors, payment for public hospital is through Medicare and costs nothing to the patient. Private is either cash or private insurance plus, in both instances, a payment from Medicare.

    Again, it can be done.
     
  9. drj90210

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    Thank you for proving my point.

    Well that's obvious: I could only imagine idiotic government bureaucrats trying to treat patients.

    Nurse: Doctor, the patient is going into cardiac arrest!
    Bureaucrat "physician": (*Yawn*) Have him fill out a dozen forms, and we can determine further treatment next week.
     
  10. Diuretic

    Diuretic Well-Known Member

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    I sometimes feel that I have to state the obvious.....:laughing:
     
  11. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Sorry but my family member is retired and does not go to government facilities to get medical care.
     
  12. tkolter

    tkolter Well-Known Member

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    I just wanted to give a quick history lesson Otto Von Bismark a stuanch anti-big government social conservative in German started national health care there run through private companies, with the mandate for two sound reasons:

    1. Workers are more productive.

    2. Men and women would be better able to do war duties working in factories or fighting if more were healthy.

    In short it made Germany have an advantage over neighbors who were a threat in both the economic and military fronts, and in turn made them stronger as a trading nation.

    Its the same now how many young men can't serve now over preventable conditions like Obesity that under medical care would be reduced among other things if drafted. What about our productivity of workers sick workers are not as productive as ones healthy again another situation of if we go to full scale war footing matters? And we are not competing with our peer nations that have healthy workers since they offer national health care and we don't.

    We don't need a one-payer system but we need serious reform and the nation to accept their neighbor who is sick needs care, if nothing else with proper care they might stay employed and not go on government support at some point over being a diabetic as an example and low income.
     
  13. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You really think single payer would prevent obesity? LOL
     
  14. fishmatter

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    Which ones are those? I've lived in Canada, France, and the UK and I never experienced or even heard about any wait times for anything. This includes elderly relatives and people I knew who got cancer. The longest wait times I've experienced by an order of magnitude all took place here in the US, with great insurance in a big city.
     
  15. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It is such a non problem that there is now a special program to address it in Canada.

    http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/hcs-sss/qual/acces/wait-attente/index-eng.php

     
  16. fishmatter

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    Interesting. That's news to me, but I haven't live there since 1999. Overall are you happy with the system there (pending whatever fixes are ongoing) or would you like to see a system like the one here replace it?
     
  17. Diuretic

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    I don't see anything about waiting times being so bad that they need to be fixed. I do see a sign that continuous improvement is being planned. Having said that, there could very well be a problem or even a crisis, but no sign of it in that link.
     
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    80% of Canadians are happy with there health care, the remaining 20% are the ones that really need it.
     
  19. Hoosier8

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    The government link is a response to the problem.
     

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