Abolition of prison

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  1. jay runner

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    Punish harder and harder until attitudes change. Attitudes will change. Fear is a most wonderful thing.
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Do you consider traitors to be suitable for hanging too?

    Inside the Beltway, there are more domestic enemies of the US Constitution than there are horse thieves or traitors. Do you favor hanging them? What would it take to convince you that domestic enemies of the document populate the government?
     
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    That may be your logic sir, but it's not mine. Prison can be a useful tool for keeping known predators away from society, but putting non-violent individuals inside there will work against society in the long run.
     
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    Except PROVIDE for the common defense and only PROMOTE (not provide) the general welfare almost everything the federal government does is unconstitutional.
     
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    Do they have serious heroin problem in Singapore?
     
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    I have not calculated it as a percent value, but I know that a year or two ago The Innocent Project, using DNA, had demonstrated the innocence of nearly 300 people who had been on death row.

    If all the petty crimes were calculated, it would be different.
     
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    Spoken like a true socialist!

    Removing someone from society mainly protects society from dangerous individuals. I know this is a difficult concept to understand for some but for the rest of us it is a no brainer.

    I do not care if someone is sent to prison and a "chunk of their life is taken". Don't do the crime if you cannot do the time. Human society has mutually agreed upon rules to go by. It has always been that way.
     
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    Those who get caught once will know that they can get caught.
     
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    Corporal punishment for most 1st & 2nd time non-violent offenders would free up a lot of space and money to deal with the more serious threats.
     
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    This is the problem with AOC and people like her, blaming society, Republicans and conservatives for the mass incarceration



    Is she aware that Black Democrat leaders in the 80's and 90's put pressure on Congress to come up with draconian laws to help them battle drug dealers and gang bangers raping their communities?



    Is AOC aware of in the 1960's the Democrats were instrumental in defunding mental institution and closing them down? where do you think these patients went? certainly not the Holiday Inn.



    Is AOC aware that some of those who are incarcerated for simple marijuana were pled down and many of them have multiple felonies on their records and reside in states with 3 strike laws



    Time to wake up AOC, look no further than your own party as they are the culprits and they offer no alternative solutions.
     
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    Had a long talk with an old guy a couple years ago who interviewed every incoming inmate to a state’s penitentiary for a twenty year period.

    I asked him your question. He said if they aren’t instilled with respect and responsibility before age 18 you just as well forget rehabilitation.
     
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    I guess the name change to "Corrections" isn't good enough anymore. Maybe it hurts their feelings to be "corrected". Everybody wins a trophy.
     
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    American liberals think that administering pain is worse. That is why they object to spanking children, but are in favor of time-outs and groundings.
     
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    He who spares caning spoils the man.
     
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    Anyone who receives a single Singapore cane stroke and comes back for a few more needs to be locked up for their own protection.
     
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    300...

    Since 1989.

    Roughly half of the cases they've taken on have been confirmed by DNA evidence.

    Of those 300, about a quarter actually admitted to committing the crime during interrogations. Tought to not convict someone who admits to a crime.
     
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    Would you be willing to lose limbs instead of getting life in prison?
     
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    She doesn't like that not everyone is in it. This creates a two tier prison system between the correctional facilities and her ideal socialist prison society, wherein marginalised communities will be in the correctional prison.

    The solution is to abolish correctional facilities, then everyone is equal under the prison warden - AOC.
     
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    With no prisons, you have a couple choices, corporal punishment or a fine for every crime. A situation like that episode on Star Trek TGN where every crime no matter how small was grounds for execution, or a colony for criminals like Australia.
     
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    Very possibly. Stocks, death penalty, mutilation. Law is enforced through force. Prison or something else. Law enforcement is different than manners. Imagine punishing a bank robber by simply informing him that he's being rude.
     
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    Not far off.

    Being involved in ancient religious conflict on the other side of the planet is NOT providing for the common defense.
     
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    I guess that means that Julian Assange and John Kiriakou are dangerous individuals?

    And when the Central Park Five were framed and imprisoned for years they were dangerous individuals too?
     
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    So is this something you rationalize, or is it something you are proud of? Do you think we should try to change that?
     
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    I never suggested anything in my post that I necessarily believe in or endorse. I was simply asking was is the alternative to prison?

    If a person shoplifts one time, what is their punishment? If they are convicted a second time, what is their punishment? And so on!

    If a drunk driver kills someone, do we just tell them don't do that again?

    It is an extremely complex issue that I believe requires examination. But it is an examination that takes much time and thought process by the many, not simply a few politicians.
     
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