This wasn't about one person. This is about the state of the family in the West. If you have a large enough sample, you can find everything you want, but there is an epidemic of divorce in the West and I don't see ANY women having a problem with it. Do you?
This is about you not liking the fact that women aren't financially trapped in marriages like they were in the 1950s.
No, I am not liking that it is the children of these divorced parents who are suffering the most. Doesn't anybody care about the children anymore?
Perhaps you should have read the article (or had someone teach you how) before posting. It doesn't answer the question I asked...it was an opinion piece.
Do your own research . And remember, there are some things that women [and men] can do better. My point is that it is the children who suffer the most in divorce and I've never seen or heard of a woman complaining about the divorce rate in the West [regardless of who initiated]. Why is that? Aren't women supposed to be the protectors of children? Is it ALWAYS the guy's fault? Is EVERYTHING always the guy's fault? And why do you so dislike men? I rather like women. I have literally known tens of thousands of them and most have been really nice [I have been a practicing physician for over 40 years].
Did you actually read that article? (rhetorical) I have never read such a load of mysogenic dung that someone actually used as a 'source', much less as validation for a statistic. At least 5 other random sources stated 70%. The true picture is WHY women file. But that is beyond some people's understanding of some male's apathy towards any level of emotional involvement.
Of course, it's always the guy's fault. How nice to live in a world where the answers are so simplistic. This has been an enormous problem for decades and women DO NOT seem to care. Why?
And exactly where did I say 'it's always the guy's fault'? I didn't. Like many things, decisions like this aren't usually done with a flip of the hand and a 'See ya!' It is, however, quite often the woman who becomes discontent BECAUSE of a man's actions, their apathy to the relationship in general, if not for other reasons. Being taken for granted goes both ways, but when one member of the relationship is not 'emotionally invested' in it, that becomes a real problem. And more often than not, it's the man who is not invested. Traditional gender roles lay a lot on women, and add the (sometimes necessary) additional load of working outside the home, and the woman is carrying more, and emotionally invested more, in the relationship. It's not all men, and it's not all women, but women quite often feel that they can do just as well without the frustration of an apathetic housemate.
Having come from a household that would have been MUCH better off if the parents had divorced, I'll have to wholly disagree. Us kids would have been a lot better off without the constant arguing, tension and wrought silences.
That still is very looked down upon. Imagine if we called these men brave and said that it took a lot of courage to do what they did because that's what we do with single mothers.
That's a red herring argument. Does that number take into account those women who initiate because the man is abusive to her and/or the children? Does it account for the man cheating without divorcing the wife first? Or are you saying that a woman should deal with the abuse and cheating? Because that is the only way to justify blindly using that number without showing the number of women who leave with a good cause.
Interesting. While it says that women initiate 80% of the divorces (with no breakdowns of the reasons which means that the abuse and cheating reasons are in there as well), it also has this little nugget: I also saw this: So now we also have the question of how many women are initiating because "The virtue of sacrifice has been eliminated from (men's) vocabulary" as well, but men don't bother with initiating the divorce?
Not a single personal comment in that post. It's a question of how the data is being presented which is absolutely fair game in a debate
IOW, you didn't bother to complete the article to see if it actually supported your overall position or countered it. Don't complain about someone not doing their research when you don't do your own. That's aside from the fact of it's your claim so it is your burden of proof.
Which is still not showing that it's the woman who is the issue. How many are from men who have physically left the family and the woman divorces since he's no longer in the picture? Or the woman who care enough about the children to take them away from the abusive man? Divorce can be as much about caring for the welfare of the children as not. The reason for divorce is important. Sweeping generalizations with no basis just shows dishonesty in presenting a position.
There are so many issues with you posts that I really don't have time to go into them all, but suffice to say that women should be glad you are on their side. Sometimes you just have to take a step back and think about it in context of what's been going on in this culture and this society over the past 50 years.
Men vs Women aside, it is sad that there are so many broken homes kids grow up in these days. Sometimes it's because the man cheated or left. Other times it's because the woman wants a mate who can better provide for her and the kids. Regardless it is indeed the kids who suffer the most from it all.
You have demonstrated your dislike of mankind and it seems you have even less respect for womankind. Your negative assumptions about women are misogynistic. Their choices while not always the best (who’s are) may, for the most part, be for the good of their family and themselves. Acting for your own good and in the best interest of your family is not narcissism. It is being an adult, something many men don’t do. That is why many of these decisions come down to the woman. Should she have another baby she can’t feed? Should she stay in an abusive marriage, while the man likes the power arrangement? Most women must work because most women are on the end of the economic scale. They are not able to see their husband off as he goes to work while she stays home to make babies (63% of Americans live from paycheck to paycheck). That is not the real world for most. Maybe you live in suburbia and wish for Stepford wives.
