Abortion FOUR TIMES DEADLIER Than Childbirth!

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  1. Allie Licious

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    "Planned Parenthood is the largest abortion provider in America. 78% of their clinics are in minority communities. Blacks make up 12% of the population, but 35% of the abortions in America. Are we being targeted? Isn't that genocide? We are the only minority in America that is on the decline in population. If the current trend continues, by 2038 the black vote will be insignificant."

    http://www.blackgenocide.org/planned.html

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    Nope, I didn't. Do you understand English? Because if you did, you would already know that I didn't say that. Or anything like it.
     
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    Voluntary genocide? How does that work???

    From sistersong.net:
    http://webcache.googleusercontent.c...documents/CollectiveVoices_Summer2011_rf2.pdf
     
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    Actually you are wrong, I would view all videos no matter from which side as biased and probably edited to only include the worst case scenario.

    If I was to produce a video showing abuse of a child in a church, would you assume that the whole religion must be abusers .. or just that one member of the church?
     
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    Your question has been answered on a number of occasions, but as usual you ignore the answers and continue to spout rubbish.

    The videos may well have been true and as such PP acted correctly in firing the worst offenders and re-training the others . .this is what happens when you break the rules of an organization, it shows to anyone with more than a few brain cells that PP takes its responsibilities seriously and will not allow its employees to deviate from the guidelines laid down .. what it doesn't do is prove that the whole of PP's employed staff are directed to break the rules, that is just plainly absurd.
     
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    In the USA, performing abortions is only 3% of what PP does. In my country, they don't do any.

    Yeah, just saying to teens 'don't do it' worked real well, didn't it? /sarcasm
     
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    Bwahahahahahahahah - yet you have no trouble doing exactly that to pro-choicers.
     
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    You *do* realise that blacks have a higher pregnancy rate than whites, right? Think that might have something to do with them having a higher abortion rate? They also are more likely to be poor and more likely to be single parents.
     
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    It worked much, much better than anything PP has done. Evidenced by the ENORMOUS leap in teen pregnancy through the 70s, 80s, and up to the 90s when there was a temporary hitch as we took a more conservative note for a few years....then resumed skyrocketing when we stopped.

    The three percent abortion number is a lie. Which of course can't be proven because PP isn't required to report how many abortions it does in certain states...primarily, the big abortion states.

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    So obviously PP's teaching doesn't do much good.

    Or are you going to pretend the inner cities and poor neighborhood schools aren't inundated with PP literature?
     
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    PP

    And within this is the implication that PP is somehow "causing" a "rise" in pregnancies - is that correct??

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    Well isn't that interesting because the figures I have seen say that NONE of that government money goes to abortion - but you think a couple of million is enough? Then you have NO idea of what an effective health care program should cost
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planned_Parenthood#Funding

    And you have roughly 311 million people - Gee that is, gosh MORE than a dollar a person!!! How proliferate!!!
    Really? This seems at odds with the truth of reduced numbers of teen pregnancies
     
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    lots of allegations - very little proof
     
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    Are you seriously saying that there are fewer abortions/unplanned pregnancies now than there were prior to RvW and since sex ed was established in schools?

    That's a yes or no question.
     
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    I can only assume the following is yours since knowledge of quotation marks seems to be lacking:

    ""Actually, money DOES go to abortion. Feds fund abortions caused by rape, and those which pose a "threat' to the mother...which covers a lot of ground legally. """


    And there is nothing wrong with that whether true or not.

    I certainly can afford a penny or two to aid women who have been raped...I realize some poeople can't afford that penny and resent spending it on other Americans(what every tax penny does) but some people can't afford to raise a baby either and should have a way out ....so we all don't end up spending more taxes on their support.
     
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    Why do you automatically associate giving birth with raising a baby?

    Anyway....my point was that the statement that the federal government doesn't fund abortions isn't true. And it's not.
     
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    BTW, if the initial premise of the OP is true.......then why can't the "pro-lifers" get abortion banned?

    FORTY YEARS...and you guys still can't overturn Roe despite the "fact" that all the "facts" are on your side??? Are you lazy or dumb or what???
     
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    So what?


    Why do I associate YOU with automatically associating giving birth with raising a baby? because YOU want that woman punished for getting pregnant(, expensive medical bills, the possibility of losing her job, the fact that she loses 9 months of her life, pain, discomfort, her life set back 9months,schooling may be interrupted) so YOU must want that punishment to go on forever, right???Ya, I'm right.
     
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    LOL! wow how does that work? ..."Teen pregnancy is dropping because abortion is increasing" LOL!...I think we have a serious lack of biological knowledge here, since when are abortions performed on women who aren't pregnant?...


    and I find it amusing that such biological ignorance still exists...
     
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    Complete fallacious hogwash, has nothing to do with anything I've ever said, implied, or with the topic.

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    Not really. PP doesn't report abortions, and teens don't report pregnancies that they abort.

    Pretty straight forward.
     
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    As far as STD's are concerned and what you are failing to factor in is that prior to 1970 most, if not all STD's, could be cured, however during the 80's and 90's doctors realised that new strains of STD's were in fact incurable, hence the rise in them through out those years, also you have not factored in the stigma associated with STD's (& teen pregnancy) in years prior to 1970, people did not tell anyone and pregnant teens were shipped off to an "auntie", something that has pretty much been removed in modern times.

    also in the 1960's and 1970's contact tracing was introduced when treating STD's, this is where all partners of the infected person were traced and tested, prior to 1970 this did not happen . .while this may not explain the increase in STD's it does follow that these facts would show some of the increase after 1973.
     
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    I love to watch the gymnastics that the left performs in order to explain away the fact that PP and sex ed has done none of the things it's supposed to do....eliminate stds, eliminate unplanned pregnancy, reduce abortions.

    I wonder how many times a person can use the excuse "we just had the numbers wrong BEFORE" before people catch on to the lie?
     
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    so nothing meaningful then .. just repeating the same old stuff, do you disagree with what I have said and if so why?

    Have you ever stopped to think that perhaps one of the reasons PP has not achieved what it set out to do is because the fanatical right wing zealots keep trying to introduce laws to stop them, and succeed in placing restrictions within schools as to what can be taught.

    http://www.advocatesforyouth.org/publications/398?task=view

    You are part of a minority who dictate to others.
     
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    Actually, no. Objecting to it means nothing, because sex ed is taught in our schools. So the eternal boo hoo about how the continuing epidemic (which only became epidemic after the progressives started teaching our children how to best have sex) is because the kids aren't getting sex ed is a complete lie. PP, the Kinsey Institute, and the CDC are all out in force in our schools, and our kids get sex ed from gradeschool on.

    You have to deny that because to admit it is to admit that the program (conceived by Kinsey, incidentally...with the very specific aim of desensitizing children to sex) is an abyssmal failure.

    Which of course it is.

    "Data from the National Survey of Family Growth

    Most teenagers received formal sex education before they were 18 (96% of female and 97% of male teenagers)."

    http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db44.htm
     
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    My sources are embedded within the pictures - and that source was quoting the CDC

    But I DO like the evidence you have presented so far i.e. NONE
     
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    Ah! Now we have it - the conspiracy theory - yes folks despite the complete lack of any kind of fact supporting the argument i.e. prescription rates for RU486, research data, morbidity and mortality statistics (remembering that this thread is premised upon an increase in morbidity from abortion)

    Despite all of this there is a contention that teen pregnancies have risen but it is all somehow being "hidden"
     
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