your basic logic is basically floored, you think that just because only 38% said it is moral then 'logically' 62% think its not .. lol, you really need to read what your write. Even your own comment disagrees with you; "But just for grins check out the latest Gallup Poll: "Just over half of Americans, 51%, consider abortion morally wrong, it found, while 38% say it is morally acceptable" Only 38% of ALL people polled think it is morally acceptable? The rest of the pro aborts are either stupid or evil. But this does prove my point, that most people recognize it as the homicide it is, some are just OK with homicide abortion" Wow you can turn 51% into 62%, great trick that.
Well math is tricky for those who cannot add and subtract, I get that. But it is fairly self evident that the majority of Americans think abortion is immoral. You even admitted that earlier in the thread so why all the barking and howling now?
I guess the abortion promoters gave up trying, they might as well they made no points here. Abortion is Clearly a Homicide just as I posted!!!
The majority of the raging masses are not that bright. Using the results of a poll is not a good reason to come to a conclusion on much other than "Its what the raging masses think" Heck, a large percentage of the raging masses believes in creationism and we know that is wrong. There are hundreds of similar examples. Look at the percentage that thought Saddam was connected to 911 (over 80% at one point) .. Stupid. Relying on the raging masses to do your thinking for your is a fools game.
Hahaha, I'll take creationism over science as a religion any day. Science repeatedly and continuously proves itself wrong. Never have relied on the masses to make my decisions, I explain my own rationale here for every position I take. Your comments below track with what the current administration thinks "the people we govern are all idiots, so we need to hide the things we are doing that they will not agree with because we know what they need better than they do". Ironically (or maybe not so much so), this is very similar to nazi tactics back in the day.
No one suggested taking science as religion. Science has repeatedly and continuously proven creationism wrong (especially the flood story) I does not surprise me that you would believe a Sumerian myth over science. Tell that to someone who has never seen your posts. Earlier today you tried to claim that the reason you think the single cell at conception is a living human was because " Women refer to it as a Baby rather than a fetus or embryo" Not only is this relying on the raging masses, it is relying on taking a figure of speech used by the raging masses literally. Thinking that people referring to someone as a couch potato actually means that this person has turned into a vegetable which grows on a couch is quite comical, but is not, nor was it ever meant to be taken as literal reality. I rarely see any explanation other than fallacy for the positions you take.
False, NEXT! Science continually proves itself wrong. Why you worship it is a mystery. Anyone who can read (this apparently does not include you) knows that this is a blatant lie. No junior, it is pointing out that one cannot take a largely undefined term and claim to know a strict definition that excludes a certain thing. I know logic is not your strong suit, but do try. You rarely look!
It is no lie, here is what you posted only a few hours ago. The argument that you give for why you think a single cell is a living human is because it is a figure of speech used by women. Then in another post ( after showing poll results on what folks consider is moral) you claim that you do not rely on the opinion of the raging masses. Sorry dude .. reliance on figures of speech and polls to support your position is reliance on the raging masses. Since this is all you have offered up ... what else is one to conclude ? We can get into the creation debate on another thread. I would be very interested to hear how you think Noah and 3 sons managed to collect Polar Bears from the Arctic, Spectacled Bears from South America, and Kangaroo's from Australia into the Ark, and then how these animals made it home again.
Nope. I said that your explanation for why you think the single cell at conception is a living human consisted of a figure of speech and that is exactly what you said. If I posted something else that bothers you then state what it is. Rather than demonize folks for showing you the flaws in your argument, perhaps you should get a better argument !
problem is a fetus is not a baby. Definition of baby - noun (plural babies) 1a very young child: his wife’s just had a baby [as modifier]: a baby girl a very young animal: bats only have one baby a year [as modifier]: baby rabbits the youngest member of a family or group: Clara was the baby of the family a timid or childish person: ‘Don’t be such a baby!’ she said witheringly (one's baby) informal one’s particular responsibility or concern: ‘This is your baby, Gerry,’ she said, handing him the brief 2 informal a lover or spouse (often as a form of address): my baby left me for another guy a thing regarded with affection or familiarity: this baby can reach speeds of 120 mph adjective [attributive] comparatively small or immature of its kind: a baby version of the Oxford Movement (of vegetables) picked before reaching their usual size: baby carrots Source - http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/baby
I feel if you vote Pro-Life than you must adopt a child that is not wanted by their original parents. After all, all life is sacred, right?
Please discuss the topic, respectfully, and quit the back and forth PAs. Thanks Shangrila Site Moderator
about 10 seconds . .though I knew it anyway, just wanted to provide proof that a fetus is not a baby.
tut, tut it doesn't Definition of family noun (plural families) 1 [treated as singular or plural] a group consisting of two parents and their children living together as a unit: she moved in with her boyfriend’s family [as modifier]: the family home a group of people related by blood or marriage: friends and family can provide support, I could not turn him away, for he was family the children of a person or couple being discussed: she has the sole responsibility for a large family informal a local organizational unit of the Mafia or other large criminal group. 2 all the descendants of a common ancestor: the house has been owned by the same family for 300 years a group of peoples from a common stock. 3 a group of related things: all manuscripts that share this reading constitute a family Biology a principal taxonomic category that ranks above genus and below order, usually ending in -idae (in zoology) or -aceae (in botany): the cabbage family all the languages ultimately derived from a particular early language, regarded as a group: the Austronesian language family Mathematics a group of curves or surfaces obtained by varying the value of a constant in the equation generating them. adjective [attributive] designed to be suitable for children as well as adults: a family newspaper
And you failed, bwah bwah bwah bwahhhhhhhh - - - Updated - - - So a single mother and her children are not a family? "two parents and their children living together " A fetus is a child in utero both logically and legally. "the children of a person or couple being discussed" A fetus fits this as the fetus is a child.
Fail again Definition of child - noun (plural children /ˈtʃɪldr(ən/) a young human being below the age of puberty or below the legal age of majority: she’d been playing tennis since she was a child, the film is not suitable for children a son or daughter of any age: when children leave home, parents can feel somewhat redundant an immature or irresponsible person: she’s such a child! a person who has little or no experience in a particular area: he’s a child in financial matters (children) archaic the descendants of a family or people: the children of Abraham (child of) a person regarded as the product of (a specified influence or environment): a child of the Sixties source - http://oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/child and before you jump in on the "a son or daughter of any age", check out the definition of son and daughter. Definition of son noun a boy or man in relation to either or both of his parents. a male offspring of an animal. a male descendant: the sons of Adam (the Son) (in Christian belief) the second person of the Trinity; Christ. a man considered in relation to his native country or area: one of Norfolk’s most famous sons a man regarded as the product of a particular person, influence, or environment: sons of the church (also my son) used by an older person as a form of address for a boy or young man: you’re on private land, son Definition of daughter noun 1a girl or woman in relation to either or both of her parents. a female offspring of an animal. a female descendant: we are the sons and daughters of Adam a woman considered as the product of a particular person, influence, or environment: she was a daughter of the vicarage in manner and appearance archaic used as a term of affectionate address to a woman or girl, typically by an older person. literary a thing personified as a daughter in relation to its origin or source: Italian, the eldest daughter of ancient Latin 2 Physics a nuclide formed by the radioactive decay of another: as radon gas decays it produces daughters that attach themselves to dust particles
Another GIGANTIC FAIL for you. "a son or daughter of any age" It fits, despite your desperate and ineffective attempt to claim otherwise. "offspring" "descendant"
you have got to be joking, even you cannot be this inane. Age is measured from birth in common practice and law . .how do you measure your age, from you birth of from some other point? The other two are referring to born people, in order to refer to anything else in this case they need the qualifier "unborn" Its sad that you have to resort to basic errors in order to try and validate your fallacies.
Society measuring age by birth is just a cultural custom. Cultural customs don't define personhood or human rights. That's a very dangerous line of reasoning that justified slavery.
The fetus must qualify as a living human to be considered a Baby. In the early stages of pregnancy there is no significant brain function such that the fetus could be considered a living human. The cells are alive but that is about it. This is similar to a dead person. The cells live for quite some time after a person dies.
As is declaring a fetus is a baby. Never said they did, and I don't see anything in my reply that could lead you to that assumption .. you see I get this guy telling me that because the current cultural custom is to refer to a fetus as a baby then it is ok, but now you say that measuring age from birth (which as far as I am aware has happened since man came up with a way to tell time) is "just" a cultural custom.
