Abortion Leading Global Cause of Death in 2021 with 43 Million Killed

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  1. Bowerbird

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    Plus implantation

    But anytime you want to volunteer for implantation I am sure someone would oblige
     
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    You just earned this
     
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    So, you're establishing that it is only a living being worthy of protection once it reaches a certain point in its development. Got it

    Gee I wonder where I've heard that argument before?:smile:
     
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    We need to define a point where life begins to exist. A few sperm cells alone are not enough. But if one of them meets an egg cell, there's no return - except murder. :(

    Proponents of abortion set this point forward as far as possible in order to recognize and interrupt pregnancy.
     
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    Not murder.
     
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    It’s also an issue of science and technology as we learn more about life and when it begins.
     
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    Conception is the beginning of life in any mammal. Without conception the sperm will die in about 72 hours within a woman’s body and sooner elsewhere. Without conception the female egg dies when she has her period each month. Just because in our sinful imperfection some conceived babies don’t survive natural causes is not grounds to murder more of us
     
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    Nope it isn’t just face it
     
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    Yes and part of that “science” (the quotes are because of the hideously low knowledge base most have in regard to embryology) is that a majority of fertilised eggs will never implant and therefore will never develop into anything, of those that do implant a significant proportion spontaneously abort

    https://www.msdmanuals.com/en-au/pr...normalities-of-pregnancy/spontaneous-abortion

    A fertilised egg does not a baby guarantee
     
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    Yes but although you can trace life back to that point that point alone does not guarantee life

    Oh! And the point about “sinful imperfection” - believe what you will it will not alter facts
     
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    Let’s get this straight

    NO ONE WANTS ABORTION

    ideally contraception would be first choice - personally MY first choice would be ensuring all males NOT actively co operating with a partner to reproduce would “tie it in a knot”. If the bad boys were not around to fertilise eggs women would not be suffering unwanted pregnancies and abortion would not be a problem
     
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    Abortion all too often is a way to deal with a pregnancy resulting from a sexual relationship outside of a marriage.
     
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    Really? Really?

    Well that just proves that your ideas about abortion are very very misguided

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    And if you substitute “Marriage” for “stable relationship” the statistics are even higher
    https://www.guttmacher.org/report/characteristics-us-abortion-patients-2014
     
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    Excellent points; I can support that guideline.

    I have always objected to those who see abortion as murder under any circumstances, too. I have been in the position of counselor for a few people considering abortion. The primary concerns had to do with the quality of life that could result from having a child at a time when the conditions would not be unable to sustain a nurturing environment, sometime for both mother and child. One woman, a victim of violent rape, said the pregnancy seemed like a continuation of the rape, and she was on the verge of suicide. What we learn from this is that the person in the position is the only one who really faces all the consequences of that decision, and other than supportive counseling, it must be their decision. The timeline however can be reasonable without interfering.
     
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    All the research suggests that late term abortions are almost exclusively performed due to foetal abnormality usually incompatible with life. It is often driven by a desire to prevent suffering.
     
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    Ok, thx. So no human beings are killed and abortions are not the leading cause of death for human beings.

    You can make up anything you wish. That doesn't mean it's factual.
     
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    Innocent? How you going to prove they were innocent?
    Most don't even have brain wave activity yet.
     
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    Never heard of presumed innocence?
     
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    I wouldn't be surprised by that. It is usually a decision involving a lot of soul-searching, and often no good answer either way- just what must be done. Many of the radical anti-abortion people give little consideration to anything except making abortion illegal- and thereby not stop it, but make it dangerous and deadly again, and adding to the pain and difficulty. .
    Easy when for some because it's not them, and they don't have to deal with the consequences of the decision. They just cause others turmoil and pain, then walk away and falsely tell themselves they are righteous.
     
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    To a fetus with no brain wave activity? Say what?

    Presumed innocence is the law. A human being defined by law is:

    ...
    person
    n. 1) a human being.
    Person legal definition of person (thefreedictionary.com)

    hu′man be′ing

    n.
    1. any individual of the genus Homo, esp. a member of the species Homo sapiens.
    2. a person, esp. as distinguished from other animals or as representing the human species: conditions not fit for human beings.
    Human being - definition of human being by The Free Dictionary
     
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    There is never a point in time after conception that a developing human baby is not a human being.
     
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    The same way it was proven black slaves were human beings whose lives were sacred.
     
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    They had brain wave activity. Walked, talked, and performed human function actions.

    To compare slaves to a fetus is a very bad analogy. IMO.
     
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    Legally speaking, there is a lot of point in time after conception.
     

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