"Active phase" of pro-Russian terrorist cleansing operation now underway

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  1. Gilos

    Gilos Well-Known Member

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    It couldnt be German mainstream opinion, most Germans know how to tie their own shows.
     
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    You do not understand anything absolutely nothing about what does happen,. You are isolated and support neo-nazi positions I think. That is what I do get as impression when I do read your propaganda.

    It is absolutely clear to me, that the terrorists must me send back to Russia or get arrested. So pro russians as they kill civilians as they do, must get removed from Ukraine to solve the problem.

    And again: to be against the EU is an extreme minority position. We had elections in Germany. Only communists and neonazis (together less than 1% ) do support such option. You are against the EU , against our turkish friends , against immigration, against homosexuals, against a democratic liberal spirit - all that does match with german neonazi ideology.

    I think all is said and the audium knows what to think about all that. I feel deeply sorry for you.

    Not that I do hate you Sir. It is not that. It is more my very slight feeling of some regret for you that you missed to be like me: a german patriot and democrat. But hate? no worry. As I said, I do regret you. You must be extrimily lonely I imagine.

    And no, the modern Germany does not belong to you. Your Germany disappeared and our american friends did help us in building a modern democratic one. I do apreciate that, you might dislike it. So what do we have in common?

    If it was up to me, I would remove your passport and citizinship (what would be against the constitution, I know). To my personal point of you, you do not deserve the german citizinship.

    At least I refuse to be with you in one culture. I do prefer the german culture what is practiced by more than 90% of my countrymen.

    I am proud that Germany is the second biggest immigration country in the world. I kow, it hurts you. Sorry for that, indeed. You lost.
     
  3. Fabien

    Fabien New Member

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    Art Allm is an embarassment for our country, but does indeed only represent some very view extreme right wing people.

    Be aware that that is a typical phenomen of social media.

    Take care
     
  4. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The Stalinist Russians are WORSE than Neo-Nazis, as they have govt. support from a nuclear armed state.
     
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    trout mask replica New Member

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    LOL....And of course, the greatest nuclear-armed State of all - the United States - actively opposes the neo-Nazi Kiev government?
     
  6. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    if the interim govt. was truly made up of all Neo-Nazis, the USA wouldn't support it.

    Svoboda has only 17% of the interim cabinet posts. This will go down significantly once new parliament elections take place.
     
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    Nearly one-in-five is far from being insignificant. Historically, in order to further its own interests, successive U.S administrations have supported all manner of vicious regimes, many of which have had no democratic legitimacy whatsoever. So why do you draw the line at neo-Nazis?
     
  8. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    and the Soviets invaded and installed dictatorships in all states of eastern and much of central europe.

    they invaded afghanistan.

    what's the difference?
     
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    This is straw man/red-herring argument. I wasn't talking about the Soviet Union. So let's take a step back. The point is, you implied that the U.S would not back dubious regimes when there has been no historical precedent to support that.

    On the specific point about Afghanistan, an important caveat needs to be made. The Soviet invasion did not happen until six months after Carter's 500 million dollar covert action programme in support of those wonderful democratic liberalists, the mujahadeen. All the evidence is that the Soviets made their fatal move into Afghanistan in response to the very tribal and religious 'terrorism' that the Americans used to justify their invasion in November 2001.
     
  10. Jeannette

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    First of all the people in Eastern Ukraine didn't vote in that election. Now let me give you a true idea of what is going on.

    I have below a video of what happened to the protesters in Odessa from the government in Kiev. This is only one video, there are many, many of them. I saw a video of young girls making Molotov cocktails so the men could throw them at the building and burn the protesters. I have seen a man shooting at the protesters in the building as it was burning, and then the same man was on a phone and telling someone that he was unarmed. I have seen a video of someone who escaped from the building being hacked to death. I have heard witnesses say that there were over one hundred bodies, even children and that they weren't being counted. There is even a video where you can hear hundreds of people cheering as these protesters were burning.

    Now tell me who are the terrorists, the people young and old who died in that building, or the government in Kiev who supported them. This by the way was the first atrocity the government committed. There were killings of civilians in the streets by tanks in Mariupol, in Donestk, and in Lugansk. I have seen many, many videos. Now do you think the people living in Eastern Ukraine will ever want to remain under the criminals who are in charge in Kiev? I don't! This is why they didn't vote in the election, and this is why they are fighting for their independence.


    [video=youtube;ec0mgpwW6_Y]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ec0mgpwW6_Y[/video]
     
  11. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    that's right, the Stalinists/Russian Imperialists prevented them from voting by stealing ballots and destroying voting areas.

    soo much for freedom of choice and democracy.
     
  12. Jeannette

    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Link please, and from a reliable source, not from a U.S. corporate one. :oldman:
     
  13. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    oh, so you're saying the only news you trust is Russia Today and Ria Novosti?


    http://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-holds-presidential-vote-rebels-block-141704646.html

    KIEV, Ukraine (AP) — Long lines snaked around polling stations in Kiev for Ukraine's crucial presidential election Sunday in stark contrast to the country's troubled east, where heavily armed pro-Russia rebels intimidated voters by smashing ballot boxes and blocking voting centers.

    Sunday's ballot is taking place despite weeks of fighting in the sprawling eastern regions that form Ukraine's industrial heartland, where pro-Russia insurgents have seized government buildings, battled government troops and vowed to disrupt the ballot.

    Military operations at least appeared to halt for the day but little voting was taking place in the east: The regional administration in Donetsk said only 426 of 2,430 polling stations in the region were open Sunday, and none in the city of Donetsk, which has 1 million people.

    In the center of Donetsk, a team of insurgents was visiting polling stations Sunday to make sure they were closed. At one station, Vyacheslav Kucher, 36, tested the front door and gave a thumbs-up sign after finding it locked.

    Outside the Donetsk regional administration building, which has been occupied by government opponents since early April, a group of masked men drove up carrying confiscated ballot boxes and made a show of smashing them in front of a journalist's camera.

    One polling station in Donetsk opened but minutes later a group of gunmen arrived and forced the election commission out, its chief, Nadia Melnyk, told Ukraine's Channel 5.
     
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    Art_Allm Banned at Members Request Past Donor

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    Look at the statistics!

    The Odessa-Region and other regions of South-East that were still under the full control of the Junta boycotted this election.

    I have already posted the statistics many times.
     
  15. Ronstar

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    you can't boycott an election that Stalinists won't let you vote in.
     
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    Art_Allm Banned at Members Request Past Donor

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    What Stalinists are you talking about?

    Do you read my posts?

    Again:

    The Odessa-Region and other regions of South-East that were still under the full control of the Junta boycotted this election.

    Here is the map:

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    The Junta could not force the people in many to participate in the election.


    More that 50% of the voters in the Odessa Region and in other regions of the former "Soviet-Borders-Ukraine" did not go to this election, though they were asked to do this.

    It is very hard for Poroshenko to argue that he has a mandate from the south-eastern Ukrainians who boycotted the elections, because they feel alienated from Kiev’s central government that declared a war against its former citizens.
     
  17. Ronstar

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    the Imperialists in eastern Ukraine who want to rejoin Russia and worship Stalin.

    and no, Odessa didn't boycott the Presidential election.
     

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