Activist Adam Kokesh's home raided by paramilitary team

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  1. Zosiasmom

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    http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/l...t-Home-of-Gun-Rights-Activist--214849071.html

    Mind you, this is just to deliver a warrant on a single individual who didn't rob a bank, he protested in a way they did not like. No one was injured in his protest. No one was threatened. It was civil disobedience only. Then the police show up like a military assault team. Tell me if they did this to the leader of the Black Panthers who is threatening Zimmerman in Florida and the Floridians with assault and riots that this wouldn't break nationally and have a million people screaming about their rights being violated.

    If you are a leftist like OWS you are --justifiably--painted sympathetically when your rights are violated. I don't begrudge the OWSrs their rights or sympathy when they are violated. It would be nice if all of the rest of us received the same support.

    Voluntarists believe in the nonaggression principle. We are not "rightists". In fact on social issues we are accused of being liberals--rightly in the Jeffersonian aspect. We are not stormfront types. We are not violent people. He is saying only that all men have the right to defend themselves and that the 2nd amendment applies to all.

    They typo belongs to NBC news, not me.

    From their facebook:

    http://www.myfoxdc.com/story/227992...of-pro-gun-activist-adam-kokesh#axzz2YbrMzqEU

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    Their official statement:

    AVTM Official Press Release
    RE: Raid on ADAM VS THE MAN Studios 10JUL13

    (HERNDON, VA 10 JULY 2013)--- On the evening of Tuesday, 09JUL13, at approximately 7:45 PM, a combination of US Parks Police (an arm of the DHS) raided Adam Kokesh's residence. Local Herndon police assisted in the armed invasion. The officers used a battering ram to knock in the door after two knocks, and did not announce that they had a warrant. Immediately after breaking down the door, a flash bang grenade was deployed in the foyer.

    Numerous police vehicles, including a light armored vehicle and two low-flying helicopters barricaded Adam's street. More than 20 armored SWAT team members surrounded the house, as well as a number of detectives, and plainclothes officers. Assault rifles were aimed on all members of the team as they were handcuffed without being told why they were detained. Masked and armored police in full “Storm Trooper” gear flooded in and ransacked the residence. The team was cordoned in a front room, while Adam was pulled aside for questioning.

    Over the course of the next five hours, the police searched every corner of the house with canine units and blueprints to the house obtained prior to the search. All officers refused to speak to the crew while they we being detained. They confiscated cell phones and personal items with force. Throughout the ordeal, the police repeatedly showed a volatile desire to initiate aggressive, forceful conduct with detainees. At one point, Adam politely requested to use the restroom and was kicked by the officer forcing him to sit handcuffed on the floor. After hours of determined attempts, the safe was forced open and all items inside were confiscated. Adam was arrested and his crew were told he was being brought to the Herndon Police department overnight. Well after midnight, police officers cleared the house.

    Fairfax County Adult Detention Center has stated that it has Adam in custody.

    The ADAM VS THE MAN Team will be continuing production on the podcast and the Youtube channel as long as Adam remains imprisoned for an act of civil disobedience. We will continue to spread the message of liberty, self ownership, and the non-aggression principle regardless of the government's relentless attacks on our operation. We will continue to combat its desperate attempts to crush a worldwide, revolutionary shift in the people's understanding of the state's illegitimacy—after all, good ideas don't require force.
     
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    My God what an abuse of power.
     
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    Zosiasmom New Member Past Donor

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    Yep. This is what we left behind and now it's here in America.
     
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    Ridiculous fear tactics that only governments feeling under extreme pressure are resorting to.
    You shouldn't make the distinction between different parts of the political spectrum , as Bush said if you are not with them you are against them and everyone not bowing their heads are considered enemies .

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    The two parties are one in the same to me. I am an anti-statist. If I seem otherwise by pointing out Democrat hypocrisy it is because they are in control. I did the same to Bush and Romney when he was running.

    Statism kills. Fact. They talk about anarchy like it will be all pitchforks and torches while on the other side of their mouths building more and more weapons of mass destruction to unleash on the world and building up a police state within.
     
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    Not sure what kind of anti-state you are , i think you will be half way into my views if you read (even) wikipedia article about free market anarchism and consider who are those toying state authority .
    Yes the state cracks down on the "small people" and regular citizens but on whose behalf ? did they jailed anyone from those who caused the economic crash? no , they paid instead like good dogs.
    Constitutional rights are there for cool display and providing for government the mask of "democratic legitimacy" but little by little they are making it too hard to invoke them , why to pass through a swat team arrest , a mess in house, terrified family members, hours behind bars and a trial just to exercise your X amendment (article for us ) right? just shut up , let the matter fall and authorities will leave you alone. Even better with the pass of time you will even forget that those amendments (or articles) even exist.
     
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    Adam Kokesh has called for a violent revoltuaion to overthrow the current government. I would consider him armed and dangerous if Adam contineus to call for a violent overthrow of the governemtn.

    That being said, I see why police are treating him like this. Keep in mind, he got fired from a conservative radio station becuase conservatives criticized him for how he was portraying himself on radio and televsion. Since no on is listening to hem, not even Ron Paul or Rand Paul supporters, he is getting more desperate to be heard and making more threats against the government.
     
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    I lean towards anarcho primitivism because I think you cannot have technology and maintain a stateless nonviolent system for longer than a few generations, but I hang with free market anarchists.

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    No he has not. Don't lie or else show in his exact words where he said that. Put up or shut up.

    I follow him daily. He may THINK that way--I don't know because I'm not a mind reader, but if he does he's not stupid enough to say it.

    Now, give me the quote where he called for it or admit you're being dishonest.
     
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    I haven't watched Adam Vs The Man very much, however, he's definitely making quite the name for himself within the liberty talks. I applaud him for his venture, I think everyone fights their battles in their own way, and I think the liberty movement needs folks, in all arenas, to step up and do their part. This is his way of doing it, I don't think I'll be apart of his type of outreach, however, I also won't go against it either. As was stated in one of his arrest videos, 'no victim, no crime'.

    Back to the point of this thread, America has become the obedient dogs for the politicians for way too long. They continue to overstep their bounds and continue to punish those who go against it. This isn't to keep America's safe, this is to keep us in check, a very distinct difference. American's have never been the ones to be beat down into oblivion. Maybe more American's need to read up on America's history and remember that this once great country was founded on fighting back against tyranny. Too long has the government and it's legions of criminals (IE: Law Enforcement Agencies) suppressed the free-thinkers, the free-speakers, and, overall, the free people of this country. This kind of stuff is very much disturbing.
     
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    An intimidated citizenry is a compliant citizenry.
     
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    How on Earth are we supposed to be intimidated by the lackluster losers that make into office? There hasn't been an intimidating presence in the White House since Teddy Roosevelt, possibly Ike, but still...
     
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    Of course! Kick the door in, show up with troops, use flash bombs! That will silence those protestors!
     
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    People who break the law go to jail. People who brag about breaking the law and whine when law enforcement do something about it are cowards. Imagine if MLK or Daniel Berrigan whined about law enforcement when they did their acts of civil disobedience. Jeez be a hero for you cause or be a baby....you can't be both.
     
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    Because the lackluster losers approve funding requests originated by those charged with enforcing the interminable layers of laws and regulations they enact...."to keep us safe"....."for our own good"

    after all, they ARE from the gubberment, and they're only here to "help"
     
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    Who is whining? No one, so quit making stuff up.

    Second, they are not breaking the law because the supreme law of the land is the Constitution. They are enforcing the law with this protest.

    Third, Father Daniel Berrigan was protesting a war, not asserting the law itself.

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    You're not intimidated? I call bull (*)(*)(*)(*). Say something radical about the government on this forum like you think Obama should be violently overthrown...even if you don't mean it.

    I'll bet you don't because you know that there is no longer free speech in the US and you can go to jail.
     
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    Appropriate use of force given the individual is a domestic terrorist in the making. I might have forgone the flashbang though. No sense is scaring the neighbors.

    Another one the good guys win!
     
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    If youre an anarchist like you claim, you are supporting violence.

    dude should not have loaded his gun in a crowd.
     
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    No, I'm not intimidated. I don't support violent overthrow of the government at this time, as nobody is really ready for such, but that doesn't mean I don't support the concept. As a country we have lost our way, but grabbing guns and storming the state house today would only ensure totalitarianism on a level we haven't yet seen. Be smart about such things...

    That said, I was almost disappointed in the due diligence the USPS recently showed in stopping a few letters from reaching our beloved leader... :)
     
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    Police here have arrested loads of real terrorists who have committed real terrorist acts , no broken doors , no flash grenades and no terrified neighbours.
    I doubt that the under-funded Greek police can match the American one in material and personnel but it looks like they can plan better.
     
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    I like it when their hands are forced. Immensely. the more the better. I think it would be quite the eye-opener for the millions upon millions of low information progressive dullards who have no idea how much authority they've ceded the "benevolent" police state....in the name of "fairness", "equality", "security" and "social justice"
     
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    Are you being facetious? Domestic terrorist? Jesus Christ. Ask kids in Pakistan what terror is--Oh wait, you can't. They're dead already from our bombs. Well, they were scared knowing they were about to die.

    Adam has killed no one, harmed no one--unlike the government and our police.

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    How am I supporting violence? Explain that. I believe in the nonaggression principle. You have no idea what anarchy is. You think it's punk rock.
     
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    You're missing my point. You ARE intimidated. You know the Bill of Rights doesn't protect doodoo anymore when Congress has been nonstop legislating their demise.
     
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    Actually I'm not, but I do like my door without the jackboot imprint... :)
     
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    Oh so that's what Pu$$y Riot is all about...
     
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