Affirmative Action - End or Continue?

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Should Affirmative Action be continued or ended?

  1. Continue Affirmative Action

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    11.8%
  2. End Affirmative Action

    82 vote(s)
    88.2%
  1. Arjay51

    Arjay51 Well-Known Member

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    That is y our problem. You do not care what others know and can prove and continue along with your racist views, which are only significant to you.
     
  2. notme

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    Is it? All kinds of statistics show that racism against black people is totally institutionalized. How do you suppose we end the discrepancy that black people get harsher sentences than white people when convicted under the same circumstances?
     
  3. Renee

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    It’s so interesting how they judge people who receive affirmative-action but yet don’t question those who received affirmative-action for 200 years. And in those 200 years these white men were able to create a networking system that kept them able to continue in their power.
     
  4. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    What people? How are they more alive than me?

    And what do I or my kids or my grandkids have to do with that?

    No it's not in fact there is a very good chance you will improve, it's up to you. And AGAIN my kids and my grandkids went to the very same schools as the black kids, they all get the same education so why should the black kids get a leg up on my kids?
     
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    personal stories =/= how it is for the bulk of the population.
    personal stories =/= prove or true.
     
  6. notme

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    People like Trump. He was in his 20's when apartheid rule was still present.

    Black kids got everything to do with it. How about that?

    It is not. It is actually hard to improve in the US. It's not a land of opportunity when born poor compared to other countries. Fact.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socioeconomic_mobility_in_the_United_States

    Several large studies of mobility in developed countries in recent years have found the US among the lowest in mobility.
     
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    No, there aren't.
     
  8. notme

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    Ooh an op-ed! Read it closer: Your "studies" do not take into account regional and local sentencing differences that not only vary by state, but by locality:

    "The Florida Legislature has been wrestling with this issue for decades. In the 1980s, for example, it tried to change sentencing policies that varied widely from place to place by creating sentencing guidelines."

    It turns out that in the real world, correlation/causation fallacy isn't an argument.
     
  10. notme

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    Wut? You think Florida is like unique? It's all over the place in the US.
    https://newsone.com/1859475/black-people-receive-60-longer-sentences-for-same-crimes/
    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-quigley/fourteen-examples-of-raci_b_658947.html
    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/3/7/14834454/exoneration-innocence-prison-racism
    https://www.aclu.org/sites/default/...achr_racial_disparities_aclu_submission_0.pdf

    It all comes down to:
    Black male federal defendants receive longer sentences than whites arrested for the same offenses and with comparable criminal histories.
     
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    Black male federal defendants receive longer sentences than whites arrested for the same offenses and with comparable criminal histories.

    https://www.aclu.org/sites/default/...achr_racial_disparities_aclu_submission_0.pdf

    ^^
    Not mine made up ideas. It shows black people are still discriminated all over. And people ask why there is a need for affirmative action, when discrimination against black people is still all over the place. lol

    And so how discrimination has nothing to do with affirmative action.... that is just wack, dear Lee S. You need to explain yourself.
     
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  13. Moi621

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    Such statistics do not take into account "details".
    Like physical harm to another.

     
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    Says who? My source says it does since it says: same offenses and with comparable criminal histories.
     
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    Huge disparity between blacks and whites. The disparity is especially so when comparing black men to white women - same crime, same facts and circumstances: black men will get FAR longer sentences than white women. That point has been proven repeatedly over the years.
     
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    Well if the solution is increasing sentences for white criminals, I'm all for it.
     
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    The point is more that black people are discriminated all over. And when the justice department is even in on it. You know it's just bad. Hence... affirmative action.
     
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    Which does not amount to anything overall.
     
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    But we can bring about equality just by keeping whites in prison longer. It keeps criminals off the streets and is remedy for white privilege that those white prisoners enjoy. Win/win I say.
     
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    That's assuming the discrimination is just limited to the justice department.
    Not really plausible.
     
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    Then affirmative action does no good if the discrimination is widespread. Unless black individuals are put into positions where they can actually change the system, nothing will come of such.
     
  22. notme

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    It does less good for them if it's there is no affirmative action at all.
     
  23. Xenamnes

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    What good comes of providing black individuals with employment and education opportunities if society at large refuses to recognize them, and still subjects them to racist beliefs?
     
  24. Moi621

    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh Boo - Hoo
    sob sob
    And what of those who squandered the opportunities.
    At college and medical school, I knew triple dippers.
    One used his dippings as payment on his big, Lincoln Continental.

    All whities fault. Yup!
     
  25. notme

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    it would mean they get a little boost up the social economic ladder. That is the intent of affirmative action. Affirmative action is not there for cultural changes in the racist attitude from the good proportion of the white population.
     
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