After Tonight, Trump Should Have NO Place in the GOP

Donald Trump was a decent President, but has been a train wreck in slow motion since the 2020 Georgia primary.

Let us not forget that he deliberately threw the Georgia primary, knowing it would give unitary control of government to the opposition. He is directly responsible for everything Biden and Congressional Democrats have done.

He has supported a slate of candidates who were incredibly weak candidates, to the point where even Democrats were throwing money at them to get the easy opposition.

Almost without fail, Trump selected candidates have failed. That's what happens when your one qualification for office is that you support Trump's stolen election BS, not being a solid candidate.

In a year when the incumbent President is at historically low approval, when inflation is at 40 year highs, the opposition party has no business performing like this in a midterm.

In Georgia Brian Kemp has won handily, despite being strongly opposed by Trump. Trump's Senate pick is on the way to another run-off election.

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Contrast this performance to DeDantis. Florida was as purple as any state just one cycle ago. It is now a solidly red state across the board, even in Miami Dade.

Florida candidates were solid candidates, not chosen just because they back Trump's ego.

You need a solid ability to govern FIRST, everything else is secondary.

DeSantis won Cubans, he even won Puerto Ricans.

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This election has shown unequivocally that DeSantis is the way forward for the GOP in 2024.

Trump was a good enough President, but almost everything he has done since has sacrificed the party for his ego.

Thoughts?

 

As a Florida resident, I can tell you that DeSantis is probably the best governor of my lifetime, but he was gifted with demographics. Florida has been blessed by a steady increase in red leaning people who fled Covid lockdown States for Florida, as well as the usual flow of retirees. That's not a formula that is replicable elsewhere.

 

I agree that Desantis is the way to go, but I think there is fraud, sorry. According to CNN, the economy was the top concern for voters. Since we are in a recession with a 40-year-high inflation and skyrocketing gas prices, Republicans should have taken over the Senate and the House with high majorities in both. But the House and the Senate are, notwithstanding, still up in the air. I feel that there is something else at place, especially considering the astronomical implementation of mail-in voting, which does, in fact, have a positive correlation with fraud, and Democrats have a long track record of making cheating easier, from saying that we can't have voter ID because black people, they say, supposedly can't figure it out to mail-in balloting. The results right now appear to defy logic of what apparently the voters top concern was.

 

That is true, there has been a big influx of like minded people, 19% of the state though? Lots of people fled lockdowns to many different states. A quick Google shows around 300,000 net migration since COVID in Florida.

That has played a part, but Florida is a state of 22 million. You don't get a 19% swing from 300,000 migrants.

Also, other states show the same trend. Brian Kemp has won handily in Georgia despite being opposed by Trump. Trump's GA Senate pick is going to a run-off. Trump's PA pick has lost against a radical brain damaged mayor of a small town.

Every single candidate not in heavily red areas that ran with Trump's line on the 2020 election lost. The only candidates that won were ID and AL governors, who could have run literal piles of dog **** and still won.

So where does that leave Trump? Is the absence of "Winning!" he is dead in the water. A dead weight around the neck of conservatives everywhere.

Again, I think he was a good President, but his position in the party is clearly untenable in the here and now.

 

Over 600,000 Pennsylvanians voted early. How many of them would have voted for Fetterman if early voting was after the debate, in which we clearly saw how brain damaged he was?

 

The problem with that is that non-Trump backed candidates by and large did well, even in states where Trump backed candidates lost in separate races.

If there is fraud, why does it exclusively target Trump approved candidates? Why would the same people leave Kemp alone but screw over Walker, for example?

 

Kemp put his stamp of approval on Biden's victory, Walker didn't.

 

I might not agree on the 2020 election stuff but I do think the GOP needs to stop sucking his you know what....I am starting to feel..and this is hard because I liked most of his policies, that he is putting ego before country

 

LOL, of course you believe fraud occurred, because the election didn't go the way you believed in your heart it should have gone. Well, that and you are also a die hard Trump fan. So you believe every lie he feeds to ya.

 

I agree, and I don't like early voting either, but that factor would have affected any Republican nominated, and even absent his stroke Fetterman should not be an electable candidate in PA.

So you're telling me they've rigged the Senate seat, and rather than deciding to also rig the Governor's race in favor of their party, they decided to let the Republican they hate with a passion win and let their idol Staci Abrams lose solely because Kemp doesn't go along with Trump's election narrative? Guess who also doesn't go along with that narrative - Staci Abrams.

How far do we have to stretch things just to defend Trump?

 

For literally any other leader anywhere in history anywhere on the planet, deliberately handing unitary control of government to the opposition party would be disqualifying on its face.

 

We need Republicans to stop moving from purple states to Florida.

 

Trump is a total train wreck. He needs to step back and bow to the next generation. It’s over for him, but he won’t realize it until he’s lost in 2024. Maybe like Bernie Sanders he won’t realize it as long as he has enough brain cells left to know where he is.

 

No, you can’t blame them for moving. You can only thank them for not screwing up Florida. Nothing will ever change in California, Illinois and New York. The Democrats own those states because they control the education system, give out huge amounts of money in transfer payments and treat criminals better than those who obey the law.

I once thought that we would be better off if those states could form their own country. I now realize that just over 50% of Americans agree with them. This country is doomed. There is no way to sugar coat it.

 

Trump should do whatever he wants. Free country. Founders would be proud that he does not bow to tyrants.

 

Don't lose faith, show me another country that's less doomed.

Exit polls show 14% of blacks and 40% of Hispanics voted GOP these midterms. That undercuts the majority of the dispossessed and gives the GOP a real chance going forward, assuming they don't put their foot in their mouths.

 

So, it’s no secret that I think Trump is the most clownish president we’ve ever had. If some good can come from it, that’s great.

I’ve very mixed feelings about my governor. He started out really strong, but I wasn’t thrilled with the way he handled COVID. Everyone is free to disagree, but I know a few doctors and nurses, and it was rough going for a bit.

Now, he comes across so angry. He’s starting to punish businesses who disagree with him politically, and he’s passing some laws that solve no issues, just to rile up his base. Now, he’s going to spend the next two years campaigning for president. I am opposed to politicians getting to keep their current job while campaigning for a different job.

All that said, compared to all the geriatric clowns we’ve had to deal with, he’s young and energetic, and while I disagree with him a lot, I do not doubt his intentions wrt the country. If he could stop trying to own the libs. And try to reach out for common ground, he’d be my hero.

He will toast Trump in the primaries.

 

Do you mean DeSantis? If so I agree, I am especially concerned about the ban on private businesses drilling their employees over diversity as that is protected speech and I'm the most anti-woke person around.

Every politician has their drawbacks, I don't see many dealbreakers with DeSantis. Until I find someone with legitimate electoral prospects who does better I'll keep supporting DeSantis.

 

Well, he’s better than Trump, Biden, Clinton and Sanders. They need to exit immediately, and we need to stop talking about them as if they are relevant. It’s time for a new generation.

I will vote DeSantis over Trump all day. In the general, though, I likely will vote third party.

 

I understand the feelings, but, I'm not going to write off half the country because they disagree with me.

 

Low information voters carried the day. I bet as more questions come out, we'll see just how 'in touch' the electorate actually was. So as an example, Oz conceded. So much for 'election deniers' that the Democrats tried to label onto their political opponents. And generally, he came out as more informed than Fetterman. Really, Philadelphia County screwed Oz over the most, with a more than 3-to-1 margin for Fetterman. By contrast, Biden won the county by barely a few thousand votes

As someone who lives in the area, I can give a bit more of a personal dig to these voters. In PA, but Philly in general we had the crime wave open up and it was clear that Fetterman is more sympathetic to crime than Oz. How can we POSSIBLY complain about the state of affairs in our city and state, and then vote for Fetterman? It's unique to the US, low information voters are always out in droves.

 

I would say he should paint his feet, but he probably can't see them

 

this is the problem with the 2020 claims of election fraud. why would democrats go to all the trouble of "fixing" the presidential race and not take care of a few senators in the process?

 

It is your right to think that. It is your right to seek echo chambers to confirm over and over what you already 'believe'.

And it's also your right to watch the orange-stained "SCHTOPPEN DASS STEAL" traitors get their a**es handed to turn when their derarrangement earns a swift boot.

 

My thought is we must qualify 'good' before meaningful discourse can commence