Again, Pure evil - Palestinian murdered 84 year old Israeli woman.

[1}. Re:

Actually, serious and objective historians have never felt that Germany's National Socialists wanted to rule the world since the world gets a little unruly from time to time.

Since the former Soviet Union has released long hidden documents, Peter Padfield has discovered more evidence that Germany wanted to make peace with the Western Allies via Churchill & Rudolph Hess but Churchill was in the process of pulling America into another European war to destroy Germany.(1)

Next, Louis Kilzer, author of "Churchill's Deception" seems to concur with Padfield and also asserts that Hitler didn't want war with the Western Allies and that Hitler's decision to spare the English and French armies at Dunkirk a peace offer.(2)

In reality, the world had more to fear from Bolshevism / Communism than Germany because Stalin had planned to sweep West in the Summer of 1941 on "M. Day" ("Mobilization Day").
That's why Germany launched a pre emptive attack against Russia when they did.
Germany enjoyed many initial victories because Stalin's troops were in offensive positions instead of defensive positions.

The myths that Germany ever wanted more than to regain lost territories and annex part of Eastern Russia were circulated by the British spies in the US(3) trying to push America into another European war.

I'm not so sure that Israel's Zionists want to rule the world as they are to maintain regional hegemony using American blood and resources to do the job of aiding and abetting Zionist ethnic cleansing and land theft.

Thanks,.





(1). "Nazis ‘offered to leave western Europe in exchange for free hand to attack USSR"
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/...in-exchange-for-free-hand-to-attack-USSR.html

EXCERPT "Mr Padfield, who makes the claims in a new book, Hess, Hitler and Churchill, said: “This was not a renegade plot. Hitler had sent Hess and he brought over a fully developed peace treaty for Germany to evacuate all the occupied countries in the West.”

Mr Padfield, who has previously written a biography of Hess as well as ones of Karl Dönitz and Heinrich Himmler, believes the treaty was suppressed at the time, because it would have scuppered Churchill’s efforts to get the USA into the war, destroyed his coalition of exiled European governments, and weakened his position domestically, as it would have been seized on by what the author believes was a sizeable “negotiated peace” faction in Britain at that time. At the same time, since the mission had failed, it also suited Hitler to dismiss Hess as a rogue agent." CONTINUED


(2). "Hitler didn't want world war"
http://www.redicecreations.com/specialreports/hitlernowar.html

EXCERPT "Hitler didn't want a world war, and had no stomach for fighting England, according to Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Louis Kilzer, author of "Churchill's Deception" (Simon & Schuster, 1994).

Hitler believed the future of Western civilization depended on the cooperation of Germany and her Aryan cousins: England and the United States. His territorial demands were limited to conquering Communist Russia, which he regarded as a proxy for Jewish world ambitions. He was determined to avoid fighting a war on two fronts.

The "miracle at Dunkirk" was in fact an extraordinary peace overture to England. We don't normally associate Hitler with such magnanimity.

In May 1940, the British were on the verge of defeat. The English army was trapped at Dunkirk. Rather than take them prisoner, Hitler halted his generals for three days allowing 330,000 men to escape.

"The blood of every single Englishman is too valuable to shed," Hitler said. "Our two people belong together racially and traditionally. That is and always has been my aim, even if our generals can't grasp it." (Kilzer, p.213)

Rudolph Hess, the Deputy Leader of Nazi Germany, was in contact with the Cliveden group and flew to England May 10, 1941 to negotiate peace. According to Kilzer, Hess had Hitler's complete blessings. CONTINUED


(3). "The conquest of the United States by Britain"
http://www.thornwalker.com/ditch/mahl.htm

EXCERPT "Mahl evaluates British intelligence activities in the United States as "one of the most important and successful covert operations of history." (p. 186) What is most astounding, however, is not the British activity but the collaboration by the Roosevelt administration. For while Britain was simply pursuing her perceived national interest, Roosevelt's cooperation with the intelligence service of a foreign state could certainly be labeled as treasonous.”CONTINUED


(4). "Do Americans Want to Die for Israel?"
https://www.unz.com/proberts/do-americans-want-to-die-for-israel/

EXCERPTS "Israel is the reason for Washington’s hostility toward Syria and Iran. Israel has twice tried to occupy southern Lebanon, which Israel covets for its water resources, and twice Israel was driven out by the Hezbollah militia.

Hezbollah is supplied by Syria and Iran. If Israel succeeds in using the US military to destabilize Syria and Iran, Hezbollah would be cut off from supplies, and Israel could succeed in its invasion of southern Lebanon.

That is what it all the lies told about Iran are about. By creating a bogeyman out of Iran, Israel can build up the American public’s support for US military action against Iran.

The Saker says that “Americans should ask themselves—Do I want to die for Israel?”CONTINUED

 

A few NAZIS were sent to the US to give them a head start in space technology and to teach the Americans how to produce weapons of mass destruction in greater volume and efficiency ... while the rest of the NAZIS were deployed to Israeli and Argentina to train their Armies in NAZI political propaganda & indoctrination. Does that answer your question?

 

well, the suspected killed was lynched, and is dead. Case closed.

 

A very interesting post. I see some discrepancies. like why did Hitler declare war on America before America declared war on Germany. He didn't have to do that despite his alliances. (Hitler was never big on remaining true to alliances... ask Russia before he invaded Russia.) But Hitler did make many comments that he wished to avoid war with Britain but was unable to.

The "collaboration" comment about FDR is quite incredulous, but other statements are clearly intriguing.

The only part of your post that I find quite fantastic is your section on Israel. I have worked in US DoD my whole life and, on occasion, worked very closely with Israel. I even lived there for a while as an SME for a project they were executing for us. No Americans have or probably ever will die for Israel.

The only comment you make which I totally disagree with is your mention of Iran. I consider Iran one of the greatest threats we face. Iran has been "a few years away" from nuclear weapons... for decades. If you look at the corroboration between North Korea and Iran on nuclear weapons development, you see a TEAM working together. North Korea, for example, was unable to refine fissionable material effectively enough to produce weapon grade material. They made a deal with Iran to do it for them. In return, North Korea sent "SUPERSCUDS" to Iran... standard SCUD's modified to carry a bigger payload as in a nuke) to a longer range. North Korea is estimated to have 60 nuclear weapons. It's a good bet that whatever North Korea has, Iran has the same or similar.

But what is more important, is the MOTIVATION of Iran. Applying western beliefs, emotions and political motivations to Iran just doesn't work. Iran is run by islamist radical mullahs. They are not interested in gaining territory or conquering enemies. Their sole motivation is to get to Allah in PARADISE. The key to that journey is to KILL INFIDELS.

As Paul Trout wrote:

"The Koran,,, says, "When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them" (Sura 9:5). "When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield, strike off their heads" (Sura 47:4). "Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate" (Sura 9:73). "The true believers fight for the cause of God, but the infidels fight for the devil. Fight then against the friends of Satan" (Sura 4:76). Who are these idolaters and unbelievers and infidels? Those who are not strict Muslims. "Muhammad is God's Apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another" (Sura 48:29).

For the orthodox Muslim, the Koran's commands are valid for all time. Fifteen hundred years later, Iran's Ayatollah Khomeini (a better authority on the Koran than either Smalley or I) is able to say, "Islam says: Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all! Islam says Kill them (the non-Muslims), put them to the sword and scatter [their armies]. Kill in the service of Allah those who may want to kill you!" (quoted in "Islam Unveiled" by Robert Spencer, p. 35)."

Islam is not same as Christianity, Buddhism, or any other religion, and wishful thinking won't make it so.

It is this religious zeal that motivates radical muslim parents to strap bombs on their kids to kill infidels. The kids are not being murdered... the parents are sending them to PARADISE. Fortunately. not all muslims are radicals. But Iran is a nuclear nation LED by radical muslim mullahs. WE ARE A NATION OF INFIDELS (non muslims) they call the GREAT SATAN. Iran is a deadly threat to the United States. Israel notwithstanding.

 

I must stop you right here. Anytime someone says “xxx never …..”. after the fact, you can be fairly certain there’s a hidden note inside. I really, really, really, really, really do not want to knit-pick but right now a sustainable definition of the word “never” is needed. When did this “never” take place and when was it lifted? Don't answer because it isn't necessary.

What “hidden documents” can you possibly be referring to? If there’s anyone here in the class who doesn’t/didn’t already know that Hitler didn’t want war with the US or the UK please raise your hand.

And did this Louis Kilzer publish his findings before or after the BBC documentary “The World at War” (early 1970s)? Seriously, this stuff is common knowledge if not the most minute detail of it.

No-no, now you’re way off. You’ve been reading too much Western propaganda and “Iron Curtain” fear of revolution and out from under the yoke.

OK, now you’ve gone too far. You quote, “The world had more to fear from Bolshevism / Communism than Germany”. Fear of what? Neither you nor the source says what there was to “fear”. I won’t sit here reading any more of this cut & paste anti-Socialst propaganda. That’s all this is. Too bad, because I was looking forward to reading all that you have to say. But I can see there is no point. It’s already filled with rubbish logic. I suggest that you ignore this source of yours and find something more honest and non-biased.

 

Suspected. Ah, the beacon of Democracy in the Middle East! Lord, forgive them for they know not what they do!

 

Interesting info.
How many German Nazis were deployed from Germany to Israel after WW2 ? 4 ? 1000 ? 5000 ? 20000 ? 500000 ?
Please send more information and reliable link with real proof.
Thank you so much.

 

You are right !
Syria is the beacon of Democracy in the Middle East !! ... MMM ... no . Assad the butcher rules there.
Maybe Jordan is the beacon of Democracy in the Middle East !! ... MMM ... no. King Hussain killed thousands of Palestinians in the black september.
Oh yes !! Lebanon is the beacon of Democracy in the Middle East !! ... MMM ... no. Kalb Nasrallah and Hezbollah rule the South.
Let's think which one of the 22 large Arab countries are the beacon of Democracy ??

 

I absolutely LOVE it when someone can disagree with me and do so with civility, credible alternate view and sensible questions.

I'm in a hurry at the moment but will write more later.

Thanks,

 

That's classified information apparently. Mossad doesn't want anyone to know those figures.

You have been thoroughly duped. There isn't a single nation in the Middle East that is a full Democracy. Neither is the US for that matter. Whoever told you that Syria or any other Middle Eastern nation is a democracy was pranking you just to see your reaction.

 

The extensive pre WW 2 cooperation between Germany's National Socialists (NS, aka Nazis) the Zionists is yet another heavily censored reality.

There were about 40 training camps throughout Germany for prospective Jewish settlers in Palestine. There they were taught how to farm, build and other trades, received arms and military training.

Lehi, one of the early Zionist terrorist gangs even offered to join forces with Germany and expel the British occupied Palestine.





Additionally, about 150,000 full and mixed Jews served in Germany's WW 2 military so the military experience of those Jewish war Veterans proved useful in the subsequent seizure of Palestine and eviction of its native residents.

Most people are aware of the innumerable $ Billions that Germany continues to pay to the still numerous Holocaust survivors but few are aware of Germany's pre War aid, training, arms, funding and infrastructure establishment in establishing the state of Israel.

Regrettably, that military training was criminally abused by the Zionist terrorist gangs in the resulting Nakba.

While criminal Zionist terrorist gangs were busily massacring civilians, destroying farms and homes, Germany built virtually all of Israel's initial infrastructure.
The Germans built the power plants, the water treatment facilities, all of Israel's early railroads and the trains to go on them, the roads along with an additional gift of 60 ships and much more.

Before Israeli lobbies gained control over America's coffers and Foreign policy, Of all the other countries involved, only Germany provided the weaponry that the Israelis wanted and desperately needed in the 1950s and early 1960s.

Currently, Israeli lobbies extract $ Billions from Americans at the same time the insatiable Holocaust Industry continues to extort $ Billions almost 80 years after the war from younger Germans not even alive during the war.

The degree to which the untold $ Billions extorted by the Holocaust Industry's Claims Commission has been obtained through outright fraud, embezzlement, long running scams and false restitution claims should cause outrage but, instead, the demands for more money increase to the point that it's beyond unseemly.

Both literally and figuratively, it was the Germans who made the deserts bloom, not the early Zionist terrorist gangs.

Thanks,







“Zionism and the Third Reich”
https://www.ihr.org/jhr/v13/v13n4p29_Weber.html

EXCERPT “In cooperation with the German authorities, Zionist groups organized a network of some forty camps and agricultural centers throughout Germany where prospective settlers were trained for their new lives in Palestine. Although the Nuremberg Laws forbid Jews from displaying the German flag, Jews were specifically guaranteed the right to display the blue and white Jewish national banner. The flag that would one day be adopted by Israel was flown at the Zionist camps and centers in Hitler's Germany. /19

Haganah-SS collaboration even included secret deliveries of German weapons to Jewish settlers for use in clashes with Palestinian Arabs." CONTINUED

 

Suspected / alleged, because there was no trial to find him guilty or innocent.

 

That's the reason for my sarcasm but our friend didn't "get it". He got pranked instead.

 

That's what I've been trying to tell our friend but he doesn't believe me.

 

Interesting perspective. But the Nazis had more muslims fighting for them than Jews. And they trained muslims throughout the middle east. These forces became the core of the muslim forces fighting against Israeli Jews in the 1947-49 war. The Nazis recruited soldiers from Romania to Hungary, from Tunisia to, well, everywhere they could.

"Israeli lobbies gained control over America's coffers and Foreign policy"... huh? Israel has actually played a very minor role in our foreign policy. And most of the aid we have given Israel is returned in in many ways. As I stated earlier, I have been involved in American defense in and out of uniform for ovber 50 years. The first time we gave Israel any significant military aid it was in return for Israel's promise not to compete against our F-16 fighter aircarft with thei "KFIR" fighter, which was superior to the F-16 in certain aspects and was extremely competitive. It wasn't free aid we gave them... it was a fair exchange.

Since that time, Israel has given us technology for aid on many occasions. Most notably, they gave us their ARROW air defense missile technology. We developed our PATRIOT missile as a defense for ground troops in Europe. As such, it had a proximity fuse which detonated the incoming hostile missiles or aircraft within a distance which would knock the enemy down. We really didn't care where it crashed, as long as it wasn't near our troops. In Desert Storm we found this was not a good solution. The largest single casualty producing engagement occurred when one of our Patriot's knocked down a SCUD and it fell on an aircraft hangar housing American Army medical personnel. Over 90 personnel perished. Israel gave us the guidance sytem from their ARROW missile, which allowed the modified Patriot (PATRIOT PAC-3) to directly intercept incoming missiles and aircraft, destroying them in the air. not just knocking them down.

The Israeli's also shared their IRON DOME technology with us. We now employ the system under the name C-RAM (Counter-Rocket/Artillery/Mortar).

And if you look into almost any US military radio, you will find Israeli-made components provided to us at extremely reasonable prices. There are many other examples of Israel paying us back. I resided in Israel for months as an SME (Subject Matter Expert) as the Israeli's built a training simulator for us called the STPT (Stinger Troop Proficiency Trainer). We could never have completed the project as quickly or as inexpensively as they did.

So I would disagree that "Israeli lobbies gained control over America's coffers"... its been pretty much quid pro quo... give and take pretty fairly.

I must also add some anecdotal comments about the relationship between Nazi and Jews. Your claim that over 100,000 Jews fought in the Wehrmacht is correct. But Dachau was very real. I've been there. And the owner of a nearby gasthaus that I frequented, a great old lady, remembered the place in its days of horror. As a young woman she was one of the local civilians forced to clean up terrible carnage. My uncle was also on Eiesenhower's staff as his Chief Counsel. He told me about riding into Bergen Belsen as it was liberated and the gut wrenching scenes he witnessed.

So a lot of your facts are indeed... factual. But there's a bit of spin here and there which is a bit biased.

Saying that America didn't help Israel much in its early days is generally true. But you might want to look up the contributions of David Daniel "Mickey" Marcus (22 February 1901 – 10 June 194 who was a United States Army Colonel, later Israel's first General, who died only hours before the cessation of hostilities in Israel and the final establishment of the nation of Israel.

 

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Thanks again for your refreshingly civil and informative response.
I'll try to answer your questions and clarify some points I may have rushed through earlier.

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There's no short answer too this but I'll try.
FDR, some of his influential advisors, Churchill and lots of desperate British spies knew that they must get America to help destroy Germany; their main competition in industry and in empire building.

There were also tensions in the North Atlantic with the US violating it's neutrality agreement and hostile encounters but American plans for war with Germany were developed in 1939 under a series of plans called "Rainbow". (1)
The articles I've cited may not answer your question but should be helpful in seeing what went on behind the scenes.

In other words, a war was already guaranteed between the US and Germany regardless of who declared war first due to FDR's pro War sentiments, inevitable North Atlantic shipping conflicts, the machinations of Churchill and anti German British spies & propagandists in the US using fake German invasion plans of South, Central and North America.

During the flurry of war declarations after Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor, the US would have declared war on Germany in a matter of days, anyway, but Hitler failed to recognize the enormous propaganda gift his impulsive yet inconsequential declaration of war would have for America's propaganda ministry (the O.W.I. Office of War Information), it's pro War element and subsequent anti German pseudo historians.

You're right in that Hitler didn't have to declare war on the US first and there was certainly no strategic advantage in doing so. I think that since there were already hostilities between the two countries, a de facto state of war already existed and Hitler simply acknowledged it without considering the subsequent propaganda value as the first to validate an existing reality.

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In reality Hitler was no more fickle when it came to alliances, treaties and agreements than any other WW 2 leader. He did become infamous for abrogating forced "agreements" and "alliances" imposed by the fatally flawed Treaty of Versailles.

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I thought that I mentioned that Operation Barbarossa was a pre emptive strike as German intelligence discovered Russia's plans to invade Germany, Europe and beyond in the summer of 1941 on "M. Day" (Mobilization Day).
Among Stalin's goals was to spread Communism worldwide and please remember that Russia had already invaded Finland and, with the British, Iran in 1941.

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I'm a firm believer that "Truth is stranger than fiction." and am still studying how the 80% of Americans who were against the US going to war in Europe were either deceived or ignored and brushed aside by FDR and his war mongering advisors many of whom were anti German Zionists.
In 1940, Theodore M. Kaufman, chairman of the American Federation for Peace wrote "Germany Must Perish" called for the systematic sterilization of the entire German population.

EXCERPT "Kaufman's fervent proposal for the systematic sterilization of the entire German population was given respectful attention in the American press, including reviews in a number of newspapers. A review in the weekly Time magazine, March 24, 1941, called Kaufman's plan a "sensational idea." (3) CONTINUED

Even though the world's Zionist and Jewish organizations declared economic war on the German people in the US and around the world as earl as 1933, the most strident war mongers were FDR, Churchill and his agents fomenting anti German hate and pro War fever:

EXCERPT "British intelligence worked closely with media moguls and big-name writers to spread stories reflecting those propaganda themes. Mahl clearly shows that this was not a case of influential Americans unwittingly repeating British propaganda, but rather was a deliberate and direct collaboration with British agents. Among the many luminaries who consciously cooperated with British intelligence were publisher Henry Luce, noted columnist Walter Lippmann, New York Times publisher Arthur Sulzberger, and many of the foremost Hollywood movie producers. Robert Sherwood, Roosevelt's speechwriter, went so far as to clear the president's speeches with Stephenson before they were delivered.

Among BSC's greatest propaganda coups was the production of a fake German map illustrating a fictitious German plan to take over South America. The map's creator was Walter Lippmann's brother-in-law, Ivar Bryce, who was one of Stephenson's agents. President Roosevelt, who was aware of the map's bogus origin, made effective use of it in persuading Congress to dismantle the last of the neutrality legislation in the fall of 1941." CONTINUED(4)

If it were not for FDR's treasonous complicity with foreign agents, Churchill would have been more inclined to accept the Hitler - Hess Peace Proposal, Germany would have probably returned most all conquered territory and been able to fight Communism more effectively.
Who knows?

In the end, I think that far fewer people would have died if FDR had not betrayed his country and its people.

Re: US - Israeli relations & the Middle East:

After I was discharged from the US Army, I left the country and spent a few years hitch hiking and walking from Stonehenge to Babylon and in 1973, was hitch hiking / walking throughout the Islamic Middle East for 10 -11 months.

Because I was alone and had no schedule, I just went from one archaeological site to another while I enjoyed the incredible hospitality of everyday Muslims in Turkey, Iraq, Iran, Syria, Lebanon etc.

In spite of the fact that I was an American, I was treated wonderfully and didn't; have a single hostile encounter while sleeping in parks, near mosques, or at the homes of my various Muslim hosts.
I had planned to go to Israel, Egypt and beyond but got caught up in the '73 War.

Since our respective experiences in the Mid East couldn't be more different, it's only natural that we should view the conflict differently.
I've also spent quite a bit of time in our V.A. Hospital around burned, mutilated, dismembered and traumatized, young GIs from the unnecessary Iraq War.
I will admit that I became bitter after seeing hundreds of young Americans whose lives were ruined because of "...AIPAC's successes..."

“QUIETLY LOBBYING CONGRESS TO APPROVE THE USE OF FORCE IN IRAQ WAS ONE OF AIPAC’S SUCCESSES OVER THE PAST YEAR.”

AIPAC Executive Director Howard Kohr; N.Y. Sun, Jan. 2003

On the other hand, I am extremely fond of my Jewish friends and family members and hold absolutely nothing against the Israeli people.
So, I realize that I must be more objective and better informed before forming opinions.

I hope I have answered at least some of your questions and explained why I hold certain opinions.

Thanks,


(1). “Why 'Germany First?' The Origins of the WWII Policy”
https://www.military.com/daily-news...why-germany-first-origins-of-wwii-policy.html

EXCERPT “As early as 1940, long before the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, the Roosevelt administration had already decided to prioritize the defeat of Nazi Germany, even if Japan attacked the U.S.” CONTINUED


(2). "Churchill's Deception"
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/1839087.Churchill_s_Deception

EXCERPTS "Churchill's Deception describes how Great Britain shunned opportunities to end the war because it sought to dismember Germany, not merely to destroy Hitler.

German generals were ready to topple the Fuhrer in 1939 and 1940, but only if Britain agreed not to take advantage of a civil war that would follow.

England did not agree. And because of Hitler's own obsession about obtaining a pact with Great Britain, he offered to return his Western conquests in exchange for guarantees concerning Germany's interests in the East.

Though Churchill held out for more, he took note of Hitler's obsessive desire for peace with England.

They invited the Deputy Fuhrer of Germany, Rudolf Hess, to attend a peace conference at which Hitler would negotiate the coming invasion of the Soviet Union with the British "Peace Party."

Had the British adopted an anti-Hitler, instead of an anti-Germany, foreign policy, the history of the twentieth century could have been dramatically altered. Kilzer raises the significant question: Would another policy have avoided the Holocaust?"CONTINUED


(3). "Germany Must Perish!"
https://www.ihr.org/books/kaufman/perish.shtml


(4). "The conquest of the United States by Britain"
http://www.thornwalker.com/ditch/mahl.htm

 

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Sorry for the delay in responding, I just noticed your comment this morning.

First, I think that you have mistaken much of what I've written about Communism / Bolshevism as it relates to Socialism.

In your first paragraph, you are responding to what I wrote earlier which was:

"Actually, serious and objective historians have never felt that Germany's National Socialists wanted to rule the world ……"

You're right in that absolutes like "never" and "always" should be avoided but my point was that I have not seen even one credible source claim that Germany's National Socialists had any intention of ruling the entire world or even a large portion of the it.

What you may be thinking about are the fake Central and South American invasion maps that desperate British intelligence agents circulated to deceive Americans into thinking that Germany had plans to invade the US.
They did such a good job of deceiving Americans that some Americans still believe that: "Hitler wanted to conquer the world.

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After the collapse of the USSR, many documents that had been hidden for political or propaganda reasons were released a few at a time. I thought that fact was commonly known.

Re:

Because your use of double negatives, I'm not sure what you mean.
Additionally, there's no reason to get snarky.

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In addition to military service in or near Communist countries, I've stayed in Communist countries over 50 years ago and realize that every country behind the Iron Curtain is different.

My dislike for totalitarian governments such as Communist ones is based on having stayed in them, however,
the former Yugoslavia under Tito was surprisingly relaxed and open for a stereotypical Communist country.

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What I meant was, historically speaking, more people have been murdered in the name of Communism than any other for of government. You may not be aware of Genrikh Yagota,(1) Leonid Reichman,(1) Salomon Morel and numerous other murderous Communists whose crimes far exceeded those of Germany's National Socialists.

Re:

I don't think that I've said a word about Socialists or Socialism in anything that I've written.

I suspect that our definitions of Communism and Socialism are different and am sorry for having disappointed you.

Thanks,





(1) "Stalin's Jews"

"We mustn't forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish"

https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html

EXCERPT "And us, the Jews? An Israeli student finishes high school without ever hearing the name "Genrikh Yagoda," the greatest Jewish murderer of the 20th Century, the GPU's deputy commander and the founder and commander of the NKVD. Yagoda diligently implemented Stalin's collectivization orders and is responsible for the deaths of at least 10 million people.

In 1934, according to published statistics, 38.5 percent of those holding the most senior posts in the Soviet security apparatuses were of Jewish origin. They too, of course, were gradually eliminated in the next purges.

Many Jews sold their soul to the devil of the Communist revolution and have blood on their hands for eternity. We'll mention just one more: Leonid Reichman, head of the NKVD's special department and the organization's chief interrogator, who was a particularly cruel sadist." CONTINUED

 

Not really. Jews knew how to read and write at a high level which is a huge bonus in a country with an extremely low literacy rate of something like 11%.

So, when Lenin and Stalin needed a huge numbers of intellectuals in a world where intellectuals were portrayed as the enemy, he found that Jews were the perfect actors to fill these positions.

In fact, I read somewhere that if Stalin didn't have Jews to appoint to these higher levels of administration he would have had to invent something that could take their place.

And on the other hand, Jews who had been repressed for eons and suddenly found themselves in positions where they had value and potential power so, did what any other person in a world of uncertainty and turmoil would do - grab it and use it to survive with.

"38.5 percent of those holding the most senior posts in the Soviet security apparatuses were of Jewish origin."

Is that practicing Jews or using some sort of bastardization of the Nuremburg Laws? So difficult to get actual numbers but you probably have a better handle on it so could probably provide some factual documentation.

In any case, it's not like Jews were born to be murderers and dictators as none of them held the real power rather were provided a semblance of power under the real holders - Russians and Soviets.

 

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First, I'd like to clarify that the quote you cited is from a source I included with my Post # 67.
In other words, I did not write: " Many Jews sold their soul to the devil of the Communist revolution and have blood on their hands for eternity."
That line came from an Israeli source:
"Stalin's Jews"
"We mustn't forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish"
https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3342999,00.html

Secondly, the significant role played by the Jews in early Communist / Bolshevik party's establishment has only been recently revealed at least in the US.

The early Communist / Bolshevik movement was considered more of a Jewish movement rather than a Russian one as about 80 % of the early Communist government was Jewish. (1)

Those Communists who murdered the Czar and his family were mostly Jewish and the brutality of the murder of the whole, royal family helped inflame fear and hostility around the world towards what was seen as international Jewish Communism and Jews in general.

World leaders and diplomats around the world were shocked and fearful not only by the mass murder of the royal family but by the general ruthlessness of this new Jewish led Russian regime.

For example:

EXCERPT "Hitler was not the only European leader who expressed fear and hostility toward Communism's "International" Jewish leadership.

In 1920, Winston Churchill wrote:

"There is no need to exaggerate the part played in the creation of Bolshevism and in the actual bringing about of the Russian Revolution by these international and for the most part atheistical Jews. It is certainly a very great one; it probably outweighs all others." CONTINUED(2)

AND:

"David R. Francis, United States ambassador in Russia, warned in a January 1918 dispatch to Washington: "The Bolshevik leaders here, most of whom are Jews and 90 percent of whom are returned exiles, care little for Russia or any other country but are internationalists and they are trying to start a worldwide social revolution." CONTINUED (2)

AND:

"The Netherlands' ambassador in Russia, Oudendyke, made much the same point a few months later: "Unless Bolshevism is nipped in the bud immediately, it is bound to spread in one form or another over Europe and the whole world as it is organized and worked by Jews who have no nationality, and whose one object is to destroy for their own ends the existing order of things." CONTINUED (2)


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After WW 1, the German people were deliberately starved to death, driven from their homes and suffered countless abuses under the Treaty of Versailles but if we make previous abuses a license for mass murder and unbridled sadism, I think that we begin down a long, slippery slope to chaos.

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That's a good question and one worth raising when discussing " 6 million Jews killed", "150,000 Jews in Hitler's military" and similar numbers.
Not that it matters but were the alleged "6 million Jews" who were supposed to have been killed during the Holocaust all "Full Jews" or mixed Jews?

If one feels that all lives are of equal value, as I do, the religious, ethnic, national or national background is meaningless.

I have read where some people regard the Holocaust as, somehow, more profound than equal or greater tragedies because Jews figured significantly as targets of persecution. This assessment is based on the bigoted notion that Jewish lives are, somehow more valuable than non Jewish lives.

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Of course Jews were not born to be murders or dictators any more than any other group of people is predisposed to malevolence.
However, I think that is a mistake to suggest that Jews have never held real power.
Chaim Weizmann certainly didn't feel that way when he said:

"We are not denying and are not afraid to confess that this war is our war and that it is waged for

the liberation of Jewry... Stronger than all fronts together is our front, that of Jewry. We are not

only giving this war our financial support on which the entire war production is based, we are not

only providing our full propaganda power which is the moral energy that keeps this war going.

The guarantee of victory is predominantly based on weakening the enemy forces, on destroying

them in their own country, within the resistance. And we are the Trojan horses in the enemy's

fortress. Thousands of Jews living in Europe constitute the principal factor in the destruction of our enemy. There, our front is a fact and the most valuable aid for victory."

- Chaim Weizmann,

President of the World Jewish Congress, Head of the Jewish Agency and later President of

Israel, in a Speech on December 3, 1942, in New York.


Holding power comes in many forms and it's not always political in nature:

For example, during negotiations over the Treaty of Versailles, British Prime Minister, Lloyd George, wrote:

"'The international bankers swept statesmen, politicians, journalists and jurists all to one side and issued their orders with the imperiousness of absolute monarchs.'"
British Prime Minister, Lloyd George (5)

Time prevents me from answering all your questions more thoroughly but I'd be happy to clarify anything that I've written that may be confusing.

Thanks,



(1). “Putin: First Soviet government was mostly Jewish”
https://www.jpost.com/jewish-world/...st-soviet-government-was-mostly-jewish-317150

EXCERPT “Russian President Vladimir Putin said that at least 80 percent of the members of the first Soviet government were Jewish.” CONTINUED


(2). " The Jewish Role in the Bolshevik Revolution and Russia's Early Soviet Regime"
"Assessing the Grim Legacy of Soviet Communism"
https://www.ihr.org/jhr/v14/v14n1p-4_Weber.html


(3) "The Starving of Germany in 1919"
https://beyondthirtynine.com/the-starving-of-germany-in-1919/

EXCERPT "The reason for the food blockade to be kept in place after the end of the hostilities was aimed at forcing Germany to sign the Versailles Treaty without any change on the strict conditions they were imposing.

Today no one remembers it because it was kept secret and there were no leaks to the western press while 900,000 German men, women and children died because of the British naval blockade.

Even today only a few non-Germans know the truth and American and British historians, seems to have brushed off this most appalling crime as a footnote in history.

The Allied peace terms turned out to be extremely severe, far exceeding the worst fears of the German government…" CONTINUED


(4). "War-Treaty of Versailles 1919"
http://lovkap.blogspot.com/2013/02/war-treaty-of-versailles-1919.html

 

“In other words, I did not write: " Many Jews sold their soul to the devil of the Communist revolution and have blood on their hands for eternity. That line came from an Israeli source:"

Cool. If he happens to show up to discuss this I will bring that point up but, in his absence I will make my case to you. Now please respond rather than run away.

“Secondly, the significant role played by the Jews in early Communist / Bolshevik party's establishment has only been recently revealed at least in the US.”

Their role? Who was in charge, Jews or Russians? Make your case. If Jews then how the heck did Lenin and Stalin get in power and if not then why did they abdicate and give up power to non Jews?

“The early Communist / Bolshevik movement was considered more of a Jewish movement rather than a Russian one as about 80 % of the early Communist government was Jewish. “

Name them all so we can examine it please as I call bullshit.

“Those Communists who murdered the Czar and his family were mostly Jewish”

Well, who was the leader who gave the order for this to occur? Name him and, he had better be a full blooded Jew otherwise you don’t have much of a leg to stand on at this point.

“ and the brutality of the murder of the whole, royal family helped inflame fear and hostility around the world towards what was seen as international Jewish Communism and Jews in general.”

And knuckle dragging racist bigoted primitive monkeys all buy into it. Do you?

“World leaders and diplomats around the world were shocked and fearful not only by the mass murder of the royal family but by the general ruthlessness of this new Jewish led Russian regime.”

‘Jewish Led’

Lenin and Stalin were Jews? They were the leaders so let’s hear about Lenin’s Jewish upbringing and how Uncle Joe loved to eat matzo balls at his bar mitzvah.

“In 1920, Winston Churchill wrote " it probably outweighs all others."

‘Probably?’ Well, 1920 and in that hundred years you should be able to provide the list of those names so let’s see it.

"The Bolshevik leaders here, most of whom are Jews”

LOL most? Only one that matters is the guy in charge. And guess what, it was never a democracy and the guy in charge wasn’t Jewish so your bullshit point means nothing.

“Not that it matters but were the alleged "6 million Jews" who were supposed to have been killed during the Holocaust all "Full Jews" or mixed Jews?”

They were who the Jews themselves (https://www.ajc.org/) stated were Jews. Pre war there were 16 million and after war there were nine million.

“If one feels that all lives are of equal value, as I do, the religious, ethnic, national or national background is meaningless.”

Right so why are people such as yourself attempting to insinuate there is something particular about Jews that makes them different?

“I have read where some people regard the Holocaust as, somehow, more profound than equal or greater tragedies because Jews figured significantly as targets of persecution. This assessment is based on the bigoted notion that Jewish lives are, somehow more valuable than non Jewish lives.”

Well there you go, you seem to have missed the point entirely as the importance of the Holocaust is not that it happened to Jews but rather that it happened to anybody. A systematic industrialized program to exterminate entire segments of populations in a first world society based on race, ethnicity and political affiliation was unthinkable and yet it happened.

And guess what, it was non Jews who made it happen ergo looks like non Jews are bloody savages and Jews are relatively benign doesn't it?

Anyhow, that many of them were Jews is not the point but, seeing as how you target Jews in your writings and don’t understand that begs the question as to what the heck is wrong with you.

“Chaim Weizmann certainly didn't feel that way when he said …”’

ROFLMAO!

Chaim Weizmann, King of the Jews for all eternity! Population of Israel when he was in charge was less than a million out of ten million Jews worldwide and you have him speaking for every single Jew on earth huh?

Using that logic you obviously figure that whatever Xi and Modi say is how the world will run huh?

Or, let's see how you like what a prominent non Jew said;

“The “ultimate goal must definitely be the removal of the Jews altogether.”

So, since you have defined the world into two camps – Jews and non Jews we can see the threat posed by the non Jews who, as we all know are in charge of many many more nations and people than Jews ever were are out to kill the Jews.

“Putin: First Soviet government was mostly Jewish”

Sure it was hun. Guy who says he's not going to invade Ukraine says things and you believe him. Either you're a Putin shill or just a regular Jew hating type of fellow.

Anyhow, betcha can’t come up with a list of actual Jews in this 1st Soviet Government and will have to resort to non practicing, partial, distant relatives or half blooded Jews to make this even seem like it is a quarter true.

I anxiously await your factual list of names. I hope you are not like all the others who have attempted this and only managed to come up with one or two actual practicing Jews and lame ass stuff to try to fill in their inadequacies.

 

Cool. Then as per the basic rule of debate that states ‘that who asserts must prove’ please provide the list (s) of names (and dates) of the highest Soviet Governmental bodies that Jews were supposedly in control over so you can prove your assertion

” that the early Communist / Bolshevik movement was considered more of a Jewish movement rather than a Russian one as about 80 % of the early Communist government was Jewish.”

 

An extensive list of early Communist ? Bolshevik leaders who happened to be Jewish is waiting for you at a more appropriate thread:

"The Holocaust"
http://www.politicalforum.com/index.php?threads/the-holocaust.212418/page-5#post-1074373569

You can no longer truthfully claim:

 

Typo in previous Post:

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Should read:

"An extensive list of early Communist / Bolshevik leaders...."


Thanks,