Al Ka'ida army takes Mosul, the second largest city in Iraq

Whilst the American invasion of Iraq was ill conceived, one can't just blame the USA for the ongoing mess that is the ME. The current situation in Iraq, given time and SH's eventual demise (by natural means or otherwise) would have eventually lead to this situation, as the Sunni Muslim group would have been thirsting for revenge for the decades of slaughter and mayhem, under the brutal regime of SH's minority (*)(*)(*)(*)e government.

Unfortunately the US Government, under George Bush Jnr, did not carry out proper and careful political homework, and,consequently, did not comprehend the shifting political religious sands of the ME. And of course the redrawing of the ME boundaries, post WW11, has not helped.

 

I still find it hard to believe that Washington was so stupid to think that arabs might want to take a stab at being civilized. I cant but help thinking there is some sort of secret agenda. I wonder if Iraq was about making a target for Islamic extremist and killing them in the ME instead of having to fight them here at home.

 

by the way it isn't al Qaeda that is conquering Iraq at the moment, lets try for actual facts kids.

 

This is not correct.
If you were bord to a Muslim father, you are a Muslim.
If you denounce it, according to the Muslims, you face death.

 

According to some Muslims.

 

You've got your sects backwards, I am afraid. Saddam was a sunni, not a shi'ite. Ba'athists were, and are, by and large, sunnis. The shi'ites are the majority demographic group in Iraq, followed by sunnis and then kurds. The shi'ites have controlled the Iraqi government since the downfall of Saddam but have done a lousy job. The insurgents now taking over are sunnis, but extremist sunnis, unlike the primarily secular ba'athists that ran the joint before.

 

"insuregents" who were under control by Saddam - Bush killed him so that they could increase in power and cause more violence and instability ------ this is what traitor Bush actually meant when he said ''mission accomplished''

 

Today, in the 21st century this is the shamefull status of Islam and Muslims:

More than 19 Islamic states and Muslim-majority countries consider apostasy to be illegal and to merit a form of punishment. Many of these, including Iran, Sudan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, UAE, Somalia, Afghanistan, Qatar, Yemen and Mauritania have a death penalty for those who renounce or criticize Islam. Other countries like Malaysia, Morocco, Jordan and Oman consider it illegal and have in place other forms of punishments, such as fines, imprisonment, flogging and exclusion from civic or family rights like child custody.
The Islamic law on apostasy and the punishment is considered by many Muslims to be one of the immutable laws under Islam.[67] It is a hudud crime,[68][69] which means it is a crime against God,[70] and the punishment has been fixed by God. The punishment for apostasy includes[71] state enforced annulment of his or her marriage, seizure of the person's children and property with automatic assignment to guardians and heirs, and death for the apostate.
In a 2013 report based on an international survey of religious attitudes, more than 50% of the Muslim population in 6 Islamic countries supported the death penalty for any Muslim who leaves Islam.

 

You are basically agreeing with me.

 

Indeed, Iraq had a very real problem in Saddam Hussein's crappy inheritance planning. Common issue for modern dictatorships. At least monarchies had dynastic lines to ensure stability.

 

Misguided U.S. invasion spawned current crisis in Iraq: analysts


By Agence France-Presse


Saturday, June 14, 2014

The rise of Al-Qaeda-linked militants in Iraq can be traced to America's invasion of the country more than a decade ago, as it left a power vacuum and unleashed sectarian bloodletting, experts said Friday.

With television footage of Sunni extremists sweeping across Iraq this week, critics of former president George W. Bush's decision to invade in 2003 said the onslaught offered yet more proof of the war's disastrous fallout.

Neoconservatives who backed Bush's decision touted the war as a way to build a model for democracy in the Middle East. Instead, it has fueled an explosive Sunni-Shiite divide that is still sending shockwaves through the region, experts said.

For University of Michigan history professor Juan Cole, events in Iraq are "an indictment of the George W. Bush administration, which falsely said it was going into Iraq because of a connection between Al-Qaeda and Baghdad."

"There was none," said Cole, an outspoken opponent of the invasion.




http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/06/...sion-spawned-current-crisis-in-iraq-analysts/




Of course, we patriots condemned this imperialist war from Day One. Too bad so many people betrayed the USA by supporting Bush after all of his lies.

 

I don't think so.
It may have accelerated stuff, but the current situation was inevitable.
Iraq and Syria are breaking up to the natural way the human culture should be.
Right now it looks like Shi'a Sunni Muslim war, but that is a manifestation of something much much deeper.
The area of Syria and Iraq is the same area of ancient Babylon and Assyria.
If you look at the current breakup you will see that like ancient times, south Iraq is one kingdom (Babylon) and north Iraq+east Syria is another kingdom (Assyria).
While the west of Syria was in ancient times controlled by the cost-line cities of Lebanon. You can see today how the same Lebanonians are fighting for dominance over west Syria.