Alan West Goes Full Birther: Calls Obama A 'Usurper' And 'Charlatan'

It's funny because it's true.

 

Yer drunk with adoration and defense for Obama.You are simply not in yer
right mind.Whataya gonna do when Obama sells you short.Eventually that
happens when a person lives by the cushy use of Lies and hoodwinking.
I could ask what you think about all those who now credibly question
Obama's response to everything in his purview.It's the same exact Birther
excuse.He just read about it the same time everyone in the media has.
Has no knowledge,absolutely none.Like Holder.But by golly he'll get to
the bottom of it.Same standard response to most every scandal.
Forget the Birther's ... is everyone asking legit questions about the President
and all these scandals as looney as Birthers.
I mean,then ... how long can this Birther logic remain in tact.
That a majority of Americans are just crazed Birthers and Obama is
AGAIN totally absolved of any and all blame.
This is exactly how Banana Republics are formed.

 

I wonder if the mods are going to let a thread remain in Current Events which has an outright lie in the title - the comment by Allen West never mentioned Obama's birth certificate at all.

 

Fair request.But West was making a larger statement.
That Obama is a Fraud.Clint Eastwood called the Biggest fraud in
our history.I mean,how much more abject proof does there need be,
We don't actually know squat about this guy.
Don't forget that Obama campaigned in 2008 on The Most Transparent Adm in
History.That is now such a joke it's actually pathologically insane.
Especially when one understands Obama's Very First Executive order.
Issued within 24 hrs. of taking office.
EO 13489 - Banning Release of ANY of his records

 

so when you are shown to be wrong you move the goal posts.... thank you.

 

You mean the standard EO since at least Reagan to protect the White House records????

What is fun about conspiracies is that everything fits. If he wears a red tie it is a sign

As for making the thread go away, isn't it ironic that after the birther arguments here are completely debunked the birther crowd wants to hide the documentation of it.

So let me know what the former Congressman meant by Usurper?

 

"Usurper" is a birther term

 

Lol, you have been called on this particular lie at least a dozen times. The order does no such thing. What the order actually did was LOOSEN restrictions put in place by the bush admin.

That's twice so far in this thread you've been caught lying

 

How do you explain this guy, Professor Henry Graff from Columbia University ? He states he doesn't remember Obama at all.


Legendary Columbia Professor Never Heard Of Obama
http://www.theblaze.com/contributio...dary-columbia-professor-never-heard-of-obama/

Graff said, “I taught at Columbia for 46 years. I taught every significant American politician that ever studied at Columbia. I know them all. I’m proud of them all. Between American History and Diplomatic History, one way or another, they all had to come through my classes. Not Obama. I never had a student with that name in any of my classes. I never met him, never saw him, never heard of him.”

Even more importantly, Professor Graff knew the other history and political science professors. “None of the other Columbia professors knew him either” said Graff.

Graff concluded our interview by saying, “I’m very upset by the whole story. I am angry when I hear Obama called ‘the first President of the United States from Columbia University.’ I don’t consider him a Columbia student. I have no idea what he did on the Columbia campus. No one knows him.”

 

a brand new birther thread not started by me with almost 700 reads and 109 posts in one day.

I never stood alone in this endeavor, despite what the obots said (I have been called the last birther standing on this very thread).

allen west is awesome, so is this thread. the more we find out about 0bamavich and his culture if corruption the better. there was never a "time limit" on exposing this caper, there never will be.

when it comes to their government, the American people deseve to know the whole truth.

 

I do rahlwong, but without precedent, we're in brave new territory.

 

how old is he now ?? LOL

gee, if he was born the same year as me he wouldn't have had to even register for the draft. therefore no need to produce a registration with that famous two digit year. has anyone found other 1980 registrations with two year digits. could you please provide a link to some photos ??

 

I had a fifth floor walk up (railroad) apartment on 90th between second and third in 1982, I don't remember ever seeing the guy.

 

https://www.google.com/#gs_rn=18&gs...50,d.dmQ&fp=efb951458a8ebddd&biw=1173&bih=547

the OP didn't create the working title for this thread, stop trying to control the world. it's a conspiracy theory thread. they are always instantly relegated to this miscellaneous/other basement as it is, isn't that enough for you ??

communists...

 

what are you, in grade school ?? however the list of usurpers is one of past history, there just aren't that many. maybe that's what you meant rahly.

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glad to see this controversial mystery is still a hot topic.

I have a question... how old was obamavich when he went to Columbia ??

 

Well I know the difference between the truth and a lie- lets review again- shall we- just for the fun of it.....

Hold on pardner- lets not run past your earlier statements:

Fooldardi:
not one student at Columbia or Professor remembers any Barack Obama..

Not one? Well that would be true- multiple students and professors remember Barack Obama

Phil BoernerI was Barack Obama ’83’s roommate at Columbia College in fall 1981....

Sohale Siddiqi
In about 1982, Siddiqi and Obama got an apartment at a sixth-floor walkup on East 94th Street.

Michael J. Wolf
“He was very smart. He had a broad sense of international politics and international relations.

Michael Ackerman, Classmate

According to Ackerman, who is now a lawyer in California, Obama sometimes played pick-up games of basketball and went to a few meetings of the Black Students Organization, but “he didn’t really hang out much” and kept his nose in the books. “At that time, a lot of commuters at Columbia weren’t as involved as people who lived on campus,” Ackerman said.

Jim Davidson, Classmate

... I met Barack Obama at Columbia University when we were both students there in Spring 1983... I was a student at Columbia University 1981-1985.

Cathie M. Currie, Graduate Student

"I knew [Obama] while he was [at Columbia]. He was remarkable then,

Obama’s classmate Jonathan Zimmerman, director of the History of Education Program at New York University, who remembers the president from a sociology class taught by Andrew Walder

Professors:
Lennard Davis
Michael L. Baron

Before you go on to make other bizarre Birther assertions- why not address why you made the claim that no one from Columbia remembers Obama?

Does it embaress you to be so completely and demonstrably wrong?

 

Birther movement officially ends
June 25th, 2011

hey !! the birther movement has been pronounced officially over !!

http://www.obots.org/

those obots, such a collective lively sense of humor. LOL I just love when they act all official and stuff.

 

Well first of all- it does your narrative no good to lie about Obama.

Anyone who doesn't know 'squat' about Barack Obama is either terminally stupid or willfully ignorant. We know more about Barack Obama's background than we do for any other President- I never knew what kindergarten Bush or Clinton went to.

Sadly, Obama's administration never achieved any more transparency than Bush's- certainly a campaign promise failure, though completely unrelated to West's looney claim that Obama is an ursurper.

Don't you ever get embarressed by spreading these lies? Seriously that is so wrong that your fingers should have been burned while typing it out.

His first executive order, entitled "Presidential Records," revokes Executive Order 13,233, President George W. Bush's constitutionally lunatic procedure for enabling former Presidents and Vice Presidents to limit public access to their records. The obscurity of the subject does not diminish the importance of what the new President is signaling.

A statute called the Presidential Records Act (PRA) gives an executive branch official, the National Archivist, custody of a former President's records upon the conclusion of the President's term of office. The PRA requires the Archivist, within specific procedural guidelines, to make presidential records "available to the public as rapidly and completely as possible."



One of President Obama's first Official Acts was to sign Executive Order 13489 on Presidential Records. This EO replaced President George W. Bush's more restrictive regulations on the treatment of Presidential Records. It actually restored accessibility to many presidential records that were restricted by the previous president. It made presidential and vice presidential papers LESS secret. It reset rules covering presidential papers back to the way it was under Reagan. It UNCONCEALED presidential papers that Bush wanted kept secret. Bush's EO restricted Presidential papers longer than the 12 years the law allowed, added VP papers, let heirs and estates decide whether or not to keep records secret, and was the subject of several lawsuits. Obama's EO made those lawsuits unnecessary.

The text of the Executive order says:

By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, and in order to establish policies and procedures governing the assertion of executive privilege by incumbent and former Presidents in connection with the release of Presidential records by the National Archives and Records Administration (NARA) pursuant to the Presidential Records Act of 1978, it is hereby ordered...

According to the law authorizing treatment of Presidential Records, The Presidential Records Act of 1978:

The term "Presidential records" means documentary materials, or any reasonably segregable portion thereof, created or received by the President, his immediate staff, or a unit or individual of the Executive Office of the President whose function is to advise and assist the President, in the course of conducting activities which relate to or have an effect upon the carrying out of the constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President.... (B) does not include any documentary materials that are ... (ii) personal records...

(3) The term "personal records" means all documentary materials, or any reasonably segregable portion thereof, of a purely private or nonpublic character which do not relate to or have an effect upon the carrying out of the constitutional, statutory, or other official or ceremonial duties of the President.... (C) materials relating exclusively to the President’s own election to the office of the Presidency.

SO -- the Presidential Records Act has never applied to records before the election of a new president, or to personal records, or to childhood or school records. Obama signing this EO did not seal or hide any of his personal documents such as birth certificates, school records, records as a lawyer or legislator. What the EO DID do was to cancel the restrictions that George W Bush put on presidential records in EO # 13233 from November 2001, and roll the regulations back to Reagan's order #12667. Bush's EO placed restrictions: Obama's lifted those restrictions. The information about Nixon's and Johnson's archives that have been coming out this year are because the restrictions were lifted. Bush said that former presidents and their estates could still claim executive privilege: Obama's EO says only the current President could.

Here's some quotes from historians and researchers about this EO:

On January 21, in one of his first official acts, President Barack Obama revoked the Bush administration’s Executive Order 13233 that severely limited access by the public to presidential records.

"President Obama firmly committed his administration to a new policy of transparency by symbolically issuing the executive order on his first full day in office. The issuance of the Obama presidential records executive order ends a nearly eight year effort by historians, archivists, political scientists and other stakeholders in federal courts and on Capitol Hill to have the Bush EO revoked on legal grounds or by statute.

The Obama executive order restores the presumption that the incumbent president, not former presidents, their heirs or designees should be the one asserting claims of executive privilege. The executive order states that only “living” former Presidents can make claims of executive privilege. This removed one of the most egregious sections of the Bush EO that allowed heirs or designees to make claims of executive privilege for an indefinite period after the death of a former President.

In addition, the provisions in the Bush EO allowing former vice presidents to assert executive privilege are gone. In fact, the Obama EO makes it clear that vice presidential records are to be included under the definition of “presidential records.” The National Coalition for History

On Day One, Obama Overturns Era of White House Secrecy

"Obama also signed an "Executive Order on Presidential Records" that removes many of the barriers to public access to documents of past administrations. "This order ends the practice of having others besides the President assert executive privilege for records after an administration ends," a White House press release said.

That's an allusion to the Bush administration's novel interpretation of the Watergate-era law that allowed current and former vice presidents, including George H.W. Bush, to assert executive privilege to bar release of historic documents." Editor and Publisher

Birthers would have a touch more credibility if they didn't spread such easily disproven lies.

 

That Graff doesn't remember him, but two other professors do? I would venture to guess that Obama never took a class with him, but took classes with the other two professors.

Or Graff is just forgetful- he is in his eighties or nineties as I recall.

Either way- there are at least two professors and half a dozen students who recall Obama at Columbia. It is to be expected that in a University that size there would be people who never met him.

 

"Ursurper" is the rallying cry of the Birthers.

The OP might be wrong- but it is certainly reasonable to assume that West intentionally used the term 'Ursurper' in the same context as Birthers claim that President Obama is an 'Ursurper' because of crazy theories as to why he could not possibly be our legal President.

 

Some crazy Christofascist wimp who copped a plea to avoid a general court-martial.

 

Only if you believe him and a handful of ass kissers, some of whom have proven themselves to be pretty sorry excuses for soldiers, like that crazy buck sergeant who broke all the rules of military decorum to go give his thug former CO a boost at CPAC.

 

Got evidence?

 

Is this a joke thread? Where did he say that he was a birther?

Or does he get under your skin so much that you have to resort to lies?

 

Google "usurper."