Alec Baldwin to be charged with involuntary manslaughter in ‘Rust’ movie set shooting

Yeah I know that pal and you are GLORIOUSLY missing my point, it's that the pistol WAS loaded with dummy rounds, how could Baldwin know one was real?

 

So you're saying you can ignore some of the gun safety rules....got it.

Specifically the one where you're supposed to check ANY firearm you're going to handle regardless of what anybody, even an expert, says when they hand it to you.

Trust me I'm well aware of your position. It's the same as baldwins and because of it, someone is dead.

 

See point B of the post you just quoted. Pal.

 

It's very easy to identify the difference between a dummy round and a live round.

 

Except it wasn't. That's kind of the point. Which a 10 second gun safety check would have verified. It's foolish to expect that a nobody like Mrs. Hutchins could be worth 10 seconds of Alec Baldwin's time. He's a STAR, after all. She was just a cinematographer. Plant her in the ground and move on already. Let's not consider the 10 seconds that would have saved her life. That's such an... unreasonable expectation.

 

Whether or not Baldwin skates is ancillary to the discussion that ought to be taking place in Hollywood: mandating that actors are just as accountable as every other American for the lethal weapons they handle. That this even has to be mentioned illustrates how out of touch societal elites - and their apologists, as represented in this thread - are. Gun safety is easier than changing a spare tire. Exempting anyone from such basic, life-saving common sense isn't just stupid. It's malignant, destructive, and deadly. Having to explain that to anyone with an IQ above room temperature illustrates a breathtaking level of asinine.

 

If I were on the jury, he wouldn't walk. The first thing any reasonable adult does, when handed a firearm is check to see if it's armed.

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You don't think that a reasonable person would have checked to see if the gun was loaded before pointing it at an innocent person?

Alec Baldwin Baffled That He, Not The Gun, Will Be Charged With Manslaughter.

'Despite his blatant disregard for gun safety, Baldwin is bewildered punishment has been levied against him, with his attorney claiming the charges are a “terrible miscarriage of justice.” As an anti-Second Amendment activist who has a habit of demonizing the gun in criminal shootings instead of the person pulling the trigger, Baldwin is probably perplexed that he, not the weapon itself, is being slapped with criminal charges.'



'According to Baldwin, everyone and everything are to blame for the shooting, except himself. To skirt responsibility, Baldwin has insisted that staff told him the weapon was unloaded and even that he did not pull the trigger (a claim the FBI forensic report stated is implausible). Yet even if Baldwin’s gun had fired without him pulling the trigger, Baldwin would still be at fault for failing to follow safety protocol.'

“The first rule of gun safety is you don’t point a gun at something unless you intend to shoot it. Even if you believe the gun is unloaded, you don’t point it directly at others.” Baldwin failed to follow the first rule when he carelessly pointed his gun at Hutchins.

“The idea that the person holding the gun and causing it to discharge is not responsible is absurd,”

 

The prosecution is going to have a tough time trying to prove it. I seriously doubt they will.

 

If you ever worked on a movie set, you would see how ridiculous this sounds.

 

And a woman is dead as a result. What a triumph for movie set policies & procedures.

 

Gun safety is not ridiculous. Being on a movie set doesn't mean you get to ignore basic gun safety.

I can't figure out why this is so hard to understand.

 

Yes, there are serious discussions about banning real weapons on movie sets, but placing the blame on the actor is ridiculous.

 

Will be interesting, I think they may have an uphill battle. It's an odd case though so we will see.

 

A 10 second safety check - performed by the person wielding the weapon before he uses it - would have saved Mrs. Hutchins' life. What's ridiculous is the proposition that her life just isn't worth 10 seconds of Alec Baldwin's time.

 

Everything on a movie set is fake. Each person on a movie set has a specific role to play. An actor's role is to "act". If the actor is handed a gun, he always assumes it has been checked, because the actor is busy preparing for the scene to be shot.

I know many people believe being a thespian is no different than playing "make believe", but it is a skill that requires concentration. The responsibility of weapons belongs to the on-set armorer.

 

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I have worked on a movie set and it's perfectly reasonable and common practice for everyone that handles a firearm to immediately check the firearm to ensure that it is safe as the first act after taking possession of it. All of Hollywood recommitted to these basic principles after Brandon Lee was killed on set, apparently with the exception of the grossly negligent Alec Baldwin.

 

Don't you find it curious that David Hall, the 1st assistant director, was the one who handed the gun to him and yelled, "cold gun", and yet he pleaded guilty for the lesser charge of a misdemeanor?

It's sort of like having a race car driver's wheel fall off and kill a bystander and then turning around to blame the driver instead of the pit crew member in charge of the wheels.

 

That's total BS. The first act of every responsible actor on taking possession of a hand gun is to check the chamber for a round, and if it's a revolver to check the rotating cylinder for obstructions.

More fake news. Yes the armorer is equally responsible, as is the human being that takes control of a deadly weapon. Any reasonable person, acting in a prudent manner, which is the legal expectation of all of us before the law, checks the weapon to ensure that the armorer has not made an error, before pointing the potentially lethal weapon at an innocent human being.

 

lol....all false, made up nonsense.

Guns are not a joke and gun safety can't be ignored just because you're shooting a movie.

Why are you hanging onto this position? This position, this viewpoint, is exactly why someone died.

Plus, you, as have others in this thread, are arguing that gun safety can be ignored when shooting a movie. Nobody has explained why that's ok yet and I'm assuming you won't either.

here's a basic list, from california no less.

https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/tips

You only need to read the first one. Notice how nowhere does it say any rule can be ignored if you're shooting a movie.

 

Interesting, because I never saw it. It's always the armorer's responsibility, or the AD's.

 

The gun that killed Mrs. Hutchins wasn't.

Except it wasn't. Which is sort of the point.

"Requires concentration." Ye gods. That may the most pathetic rationalization I've ever encountered. A 19th century revolver is no more complicated than a Pez dispenser. Just more deadly. If Alec Baldwin is so elite & elevated that he can master the "concentration" required to be a "thespian" (pretentious much?) he's more than capable of a 10 second safety check that would have saved Mrs. Hutchins' life.

I know, I know... Saint Alec is a "thespian." Mrs. Hutchins' life isn't worth 10 seconds of Mr. Baldwin's time. He's much too busy being a "thespian." So let it be written, so let it be done.

 

You are the one who is saying that. There is gun safety on a movie set, but expecting the actor to be responsible in this situation is stupid. The gun was supposed to be loaded with dummy rounds for the camera. The question is why was the armorer not there to hand the weapon to Baldwin? They are saying it was because of the Covid protocols, which obviously complicated things on this set.

I am not saying the production is not liable, but why are you so insistent on it being Baldwin's fault?

 

Then explain to me what he would have been "checking for"? Since the shot (meaning the picture) required in that scene was head-on and bullets would have to be seen in the revolver.