All the job growth since 2019 has gone to immigrants, less educated men hurting

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  1. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    All the job growth since 2019 has gone to immigrants, less educated men hurting

    President Biden and the media is telling people that the economy is producing more jobs. But why aren't many people feeling that?

    just a few highlights from the article:

    Job gains are going to immigrants, and keeping young US-born men out of the workforce

    Employment of U.S.-born is still below the 2019 level, while immigrant employment is well above

    According to the latest numbers, employment of US-born workers is still below 2019 levels.

    Of the 2.9 million additional immigrants holding jobs, it is hard to say what share are in the country illegally. Both the Census Bureau, which collects the data, and the Bureau of Labor Statistics, which analyzes them, are clear that illegal immigrants are included in the CPS, but they don’t break it down by illegal and legal status.

    Low-wage US-born workers also create significant costs, but they are already here, while immigrants represent new costs.

    It also matters whom these recent immigrants are shutting out of the job market -- specifically, men without a college degree. One of the most serious social problems we face as a country is the decades-long decline in the labor force participation of US-born men.

    Today, the labor force participation rate of US-born men without a bachelor's (ages 18 to 64) stands at 75.6% -- still below the 76.3% rate it was in the fourth quarter of 2019.
    And both those figures are far below the 80.6% rate in 2006 and 82.6% in 2000.
    Back in the 1960s, nearly 90% of these men were in the labor force.​

    Job gains are going to immigrants, and keeping young US-born men out of the workforce, Steven Camarota (Opinion), New York Post, February 13, 2024


    related thread: Americans without a college degree are not living as long (posted in Economics & Trade, September 30, 2023 )

    It's not really an surprise that less educated men would be hurting more. The majority of Biden's undocumented immigrants that are being let in have lower skills. This competes with the most vulnerable Americans.

    Today, in many parts of the U.S., immigrants are taking over more and more jobs.
    What I mean is, in certain places, if you look at certain types of jobs, the majority of the people doing those jobs seem to be immigrants. This is certainly true around the New York City area and all the more expensive parts of California.
     
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    Then get an education and learn a valuable and applicable trade skill. Also, build the wall 1,000 ft high, 1,000 ft thick, and 1,000 ft deep, line it with turrets and landmines, starving hyenas, then flood the entire area.
     
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    That's true, but some of this seems like a pyramid scheme. It's like a giant pyramid and the bottom base of the pyramid is sinking, and everyone is told they just need to climb higher up. But is there going to be space for everyone to climb way higher up on the pyramid? And I mean everyone, large numbers of people, all together.
    Is this even realistic?

    We're already beginning to see oversaturation in the job market when it comes to college degrees.
     
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    Then these people need to stop getting worthless degrees. We don't need 130 million Liberal Arts majors. We need welders, plumbers, oilfield workers, and other trade-skilled people. I guarantee that a welder or oilfield worker makes ten times as much as anyone with a degree in a saturated field.
     
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    You are aware that in some areas of the U.S. immigrants have already taken over those sectors?

    When I mean "take over", I mean the wages start going way down, and they are often in high cost of living areas, so Americans who might have taken those jobs do not find it worth living there.
    A $60,000 salary might be great in some parts of the country, but it's not all that great in other parts.
     
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    I work in the oilfield and my area has not been taken over by migrants. That's not exactly the case in south Texas and New Mexico. Hence the need for a secure border. America first, not last, Joe....
     
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    Xenophobes aside, it's good to see the nation thriving again!

    The economy had lost 2.9 million jobs under Trump. The unemployment rate had climbed by 1.6% to 6.3%.

    It's now down to 3.7%!


     
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    Opinion pieces belong in the opinion forum, although the claim that all jobs have gone to illegals might belong in the Humor forum.
     

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