Am I a 'Racist' or a 'Realist'?

Discussion in 'Race Relations' started by Libhater, May 20, 2016.

  1. Maccabee

    Maccabee Well-Known Member

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    A lot of what they called "racist" is actually truth. The rest didnt represent all those who dislike Obama's policies of which I'm one of them.
     
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    Anti-racism is far more pseudoscience than scientific racism.

    Your premises being of racial e1quality, which is continuously discredited.
     
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    You call linking low MAO levels to a higher prevalence of criminality as "pseudoscience"

    You're the biased one.

    Because study, after study keeps linking low MAO levels to a higher prevalence of criminality.
     
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    Point out specific examples of truth from those 10 examples of racism against Obama. None of them are true and all of them are racist.

    If Scientific Racism is valid then why is it not taught in high school or college classes? The truth is that like Intelligent Design which is promoted by Creationists Scientific Racism is regarded in academia as a Pseudoscience.

    What is your answer to this lack of support in academia if your position is so scientifically respectable? The typical racist answer is to say that there is a liberal or Jewish conspiracy to suppress the truth which is not a credible position.

    And if your views are scientifically respectable why can't you step up on a scientific message board and defend your views?!
     
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    Most teachers, and professors are Liberal, as are most scientists.

    That's why it's not taught, because politically correct biased agenda has infected our society.
     
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    You see what you just did right there? You went straight to the conspiracy angle! Everyone is apparently biased except people like you. Or maybe Scientific Racism does not meet the test of academic rigor as Coker suggested.

    So why won't you step on a Science message board and defend your views? You have been challenged and you are ducking.
     
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    Show me some scientific data that supports racial equality?

    We keep finding, time, and time again that races differ in the proportions they have certain genes.

    Your side is the most biased side, you look at the data, with some drastic differences, and still tout of equality.

    I've never seen such stupidity in my entire life, it's hard to believe so many smart people are so indoctrinated into such a stupid agenda.
     
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    I'll make you a deal. If you step up to this science message board and defend your claims of racial differences I will join the debate and provide all the scientific evidence for my position.

    http://www.sciforums.com/forums/human-science.69/

    I am challenging you because you need a reality check. You need to understand that your racial views are not scientific and the best way to do that is to actually debate on a real science message board. Political Forum is a great board but you will find that they hold you to a higher standard when it comes to debating scientific topics on that board. Why won't you step up? Are you afraid? Rayznack and Mikemikev did. They were defeated but I give them credit for trying. It's your turn.
     
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    You read this^^ too right?

    Per this text, this research was trying to see if the DRD4, a '7-repeat allele,' was a candidate for a genetic link to ADHD.

    Towards the end this is stated:

    "Although a previous meta-analysis found a positive association with the 7-repeat allele and ADHD, opposite findings have recently been published. Genetic demographic studies demonstrate that the 7-repeat allele is present in highly varying percentages in different populations worldwide."

    What I interpret this to mean is that the "up to 78% of native South Americans" means that yeah many of them have the '7-repeate allele', but that doesn't necessarily mean they have ADHD, especially since the researchers couldn't establish a link between the DRD4 7-repeat allele and ADHD.

    Inside the paper you shared, here were the results:

    So, they were trying to establish a link between ADHD and the DRD4 allele and couldn't do it.

    Therefore, all your claims thus far remain unsupported.
     
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    If there's racial equality, then intelligent design must be the culprit.

    Because under natural selection, we'd see vastly different genetic outcomes due to differences in natural selection, genetic drift, founder effects, and so forth.

    So, your thinking is much more akin to intelligent design.
     
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    That's not true at all. Our shared evolutionary history is the scientific basis for intellectual equality between human populations. That was discussed in this thread. We became anatomically and behavorially modern in one geographic region and there was no reason for our intelligence to evolve any further since intelligence is of equal survival value in all regions. You can not invoke natural selection or genetic drift as a basis for differences in intelligence either since drift events are random. Thus far there has been no evolutionary genetic rationale for racial differences in intelligence and based on genetic reasoning we should expect to find genes that are consistently differentiated between populations that leads to differences in mental traits. Genes that influence intelligence and personality differ on an individual level and run in families but aren't distributed unevenly across human populations.

    Now if you want a serious debate about this subject register on the board. Make a thread and defend your position.
     
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    People with ADHD are indeed more likely to have the 7 repeat allele on DRD4 .

    This 7 repeat allele on DRD4 lowers Dopamine levels.

    Low Dopamine levels are linked to impulsivity.

    Men, and people with ADHD have lower Dopamine levels.

    Both Men, and people with ADHD are of course more impulsive, and have a higher tendency towards criminality.
     
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    How do you figure that vastly different environmental pressures, would have equal pressures on intelligence?

    if someone is more likely to die from being stupid in a harsh environment, such as the cold, then that would obviously impact their natural selection significantly.

    Especially in a small founder effect, where only a small number of people were there the more stupid people dying for being stupid in the harsh cold, this would shape them significantly as a group.

    Indeed, there's higher IQ scores, higher PISA scores, and larger brain sizes generally the further North you go.
     
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    ...But since you can't even establish Hispanics or even Native Americans having a high prevalence of ADHD, your point remains a baseless assertion.

    Moreover, the article you shared couldn't establish a positive link between ADHD and the 7R allele either so.......
     
  15. Egalitarianjay02

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    You're parroting Rushton again. The idea that human populations were on average too stupid to survive in the cold and needed to evolve larger brains to deal with a new environment is absurd. Humans were intelligent enough to survive in any environment they encountered which is why human survival strategies were relatively the same during the Pleistocene Epoch. Not only did humans thrive in cold weather and everywhere else they replaced Neanderthal who had lived in cold climates much longer than modern humans. A lot of the earliest civilizations also developed in warm climates. Brain size is highly correlated with latitude. Brains become more spherical in colder climates allowing for slightly larger head size. The documented differences in brain size between human populations are too small to account for differences in intelligence.

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    We could debate this topic all day. Why is it that you are ignoring the challenge to step up on a Science message board and discuss this? Are you really that much of a coward?
     
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    The 7 repeating allele on DRD4 has been linked to a higher rate of delinquency.

    https://books.google.com/books?id=B...ge&q=7 repeating allele DrD4 violence&f=false

    There's definitely different genes linked to ADHD, with 7 repeating allele on DRD4 being one of them.

    The 7 repeating allele on DRD4 is found in higher amounts in people with ADHD.

    https://www.deepdyve.com/lp/springe...r-drd4-gene-with-attention-deficit-xb0489zOvp
    Association of dopamine D4 receptor (DRD4) gene with attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) in a high-risk community sample: a longitudinal study from birth to 11 years of age

    Authors

    El-Faddagh, M.; Laucht, M.; Maras, A.; Vöhringer, L.; Schmidt, M. H.

    Abstract

    Background: In recent years, a growing number of studies has focused on the dopamine D4 receptor gene (DRD4) as mediating the susceptibility to attention-deficit/hyperactivity disorder (ADHD). While their results are contradictory, the reason for this inconsistency remains as yet unclear. Method: The present study sought to examine the association between ADHD and the DRD4 exon III polymorphism during child development using longitudinal data from a high-risk community sample (n=265, 129 females, 126 males) who have been followed from birth to 11 years of age. Results: Higher rates of ADHD were observed in boys with the 7 repeat allele of exon III than in boys with other alleles at the ages of 4 1/2 (Fisher’s exact test, p=.061), 8 (p=.026), and 11 years (p=.005). Boys with this allele also exhibited higher rates of persistent disorder (p=.024). In girls, a trend towards an association (p=.055) with the 7 repeat allele emerged only at preschool age. Conclusions: These findings provide additional evidence for the role of the dopamine D4 receptor in ADHD during the course of child development.
     
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    1.) Neanderthals likely had much smaller numbers, which gave Humans more manpower.

    2.) Humans amassed larger population sizes in warmer climates generally, which once again gave them larger manpower.

    Actually, ice age Europe was highly advanced with both Neanderthals, and Human Cro Magnon man.

    Haven't you heard of all the innovations, and inventions coming from Europe 15,000 - 50,000 years ago?
     
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    Parroting Gould are you?

    You do know Gould was exposed as being biased, or incompetent in his measurements, right?

    Besides, it's not only a smaller brain size stacked against Blacks, they also have more dolichocephalic skulls, which are more rear brain dominant, not to mention general slower thyroids, which slow thyroid function is linked to lower intelligence too.
     
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    You are aware that indigenous European Humans nearly went extinct?

    http://horizon-magazine.eu/article/...small-bands-fewer-30-brink-extinction_en.html

    Ice-age Europeans roamed in small bands of fewer than 30, on brink of extinction


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    The last ice age is associated with a major demographic bottleneck in Europe. Image: Shutterstock/ Esteban De Armas

    The last ice age is associated with a major demographic bottleneck in Europe. Image: Shutterstock/ Esteban De Armas




    New genomic data suggests that when Europeans emerged from the last ice age they were close to becoming extinct.




    In some cases, small bands of potentially as few as 20 to 30 people could have been moving over very large areas, over the whole of Europe as a single territory, according to Professor Ron Pinhasi, principal investigator on the EU-funded ADNABIOARC project.

    This demographic model is based on new evidence that suggests populations were much smaller than is generally thought to be a stable size for healthy reproduction, usually around 500 people. Such small groupings may have led to reduced fitness and even extinctions.

    ‘As an archaeologist and anthropologist, I was quite shocked to see how limited, how small the population numbers were. You know, shockingly small,’ said Prof. Pinhasi, based at University College Dublin, Ireland.

    ‘I think that what happened, it’s on a catastrophic level of demography for a long time in human evolution,’ he said.




    ‘I was quite shocked to see how limited, how small the population numbers were. You know, shockingly small.’


    Professor Ron Pinhasi, ADNABIOARC, University College Dublin, Ireland




    The impacts of this are significant for understanding the origins of many Europeans today, as it is forcing researchers to reconsider models of human expansion and colonisation of the continent, as well as our genetic ancestry.

    By analysing the genomes of human remains, the researchers are able to gather demographic data and clues to potential population sizes.

    Prof. Pinhasi’s team has found that the genomes sequenced from hunter-gatherers from Hungary and Switzerland between 14 000 to 7 500 years ago are very close to specimens from Denmark or Sweden from the same period.

    These findings suggest that genetic diversity between inhabitants of most of western and central Europe after the ice age was very limited, indicating a major demographic bottleneck triggered by human isolation and extinction during the ice age.

    ‘We’re starting to be able to reconstruct the actual dynamics of migrations and colonisation of the continent by modern humans and that’s never been done before the genomic era,’ explained Prof. Pinhasi.

    He believes that early humans crossed the continent in small groups that were cut off while the ice was at its peak, then successively dispersed and regrouped over thousands of years, with dwindling northern populations invigorated by humans arriving from the south, where the climate was better.
     
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    Looking at their material culture modern humans were more technologically advanced than Neanderthal.

    Also these humans were tropically adapted and developed light skin and other characteristics reminiscent of modern Europeans and Asians at a much later date.

    I wasn't parroting Gould and actually Gould's critique of Morton was shown to be valid by another scholar.



    Why don't you discuss all of this on Sciforum? This board is really for political discussion not science. Since you have deliberately ignored my challenge to step up and debate on a Science message board I have to assume you are simply afraid. In that case this will be my last response to you in this thread. I don't have time to debate this subject with your over and over and over. The fact is that you will not step up because you are more comfortable on a smaller forum where there are less scientifically literate opponents to challenge you.
     
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    When looking at their material culture Europeans are more technological advanced than Africans.
     
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    Never seen Rushton talk about thyroid levels.

    But, I have.

    So, how do you figure that I'm parroting Rushton?
     
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    I just tried to sign up, but they never sent an email confirmation, even after I clicked resend.
     
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    At some points in history. At others no. African civilization predates European civilization by hundreds of years.

    You keep invoking his cold winters theory. Didn't you also say you read his work and agree with him?

    If you give me the username you signed up with via PM I will ask a moderator to look in to your registration status.
     
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    It's very likely that the Vinca Culture of South-East Europe was the first civilization.
     

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