Amputees

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  1. Wolverine

    Wolverine New Member Past Donor

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    So if there is a higher powers, and it is good, why doesn't it heal amputees who happen to be believers?

    Cure disease from believers?

    Prevent the death or suffering of believers?

    Stop children from starving in Africa?

    Save the believers from natural disasters and allow the blasphemers to perish?
     
  2. Quantrill

    Quantrill New Member

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    Because if it were the purpose of God that no believers were sick, or suffering, or died, or that there was no starvation anywhere, He would not have created the world as He did.

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  3. Wolverine

    Wolverine New Member Past Donor

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    However everyone's prayers are ignored.

    Keep in mind what Jesus promised:

    If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer. [Matthew 21:21]

    If you ask anything in my name, I will do it. [John 14:14]

    Ask, and it will be given you. [Matthew 7:7]

    Nothing will be impossible to you. [Matthew 17:20]

    Believe that you have received it, and it will be yours. [Mark 11:24]

    There is no indication from Jesus that amputees will be ignored when they pray for medical help. The fact is, all five of these statements are completely false in the case of amputees.
    http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/god5.htm
     
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    No, that is a lie. God hears the prayers of His people and answers them.

    Faith is something which grows on the part of the believer. Thus in Matt.17:20 Jesus said, " Because of your unbelief " Jesus as the Son of God, had complete and full faith. But His disciples were just starting out in their walk with Christ. Plus, included with this is prayer and fasting. 17:21.

    And our understanding of Christian prayer and being answered by God is not based on just one Scripture. It is based on the complete teaching of Scripture. And we are told elsewhere that all prayer is based on the will of God. Whose will you ignore.

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  5. Wolverine

    Wolverine New Member Past Donor

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    Then why is prayer proven to be ineffective, the same success rate as no prayer at all?

    Why not heal the amputees?
     
  6. Quantrill

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    Who proves it ineffective?

    Why not heal everyone? Why just amputees?

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  7. Wolverine

    Wolverine New Member Past Donor

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    Various studies, all of them reaching the same conclusion, prayer is not effective.

    Why are you asking me? Answer the question.
     
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    Your studies are lying. Plus your studies don't know. What a joke your 'studies' are.

    I did answer the question. Prayer for the Christian is not based on one Scripture. Also is involved the will of God. And the faith of the believer.

    Where does God say all amputees will be healed?

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    Strawman argument. You make up what you think God should do, and then claim that since God doesn't do that, there must not be a God. Very weak form of argument that you seem to like.

    God does not interfere with the natural world much, if at all. It's our job as his believers to make things better in this world, by working to cure disease, create prosthetics, feed the children in Africa, and doing what we can to save people (believers or not) from natural disasters.
     
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    perdidochas Well-Known Member

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    Some studies have shown it to have a slight effect. The thing is, that's a childish view of God--that prayer is to get things for yourself. I used to have that view, and then after getting closer to God, I now no longer have it.

    Meta analysis of studies:
    http://rsw.sagepub.com/content/17/2/174.abstract

     
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    Yet your view of God and believers here, isn't much different than what the natural man can see and do.

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    Wolverine New Member Past Donor

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    Prosthetics will not allow someone to play guitar as if they had a hand, the ability of man to repairer the injured fails in comparison to what Christians are promised.

    http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/god5.htm
     
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    Christians aren't promised that amputees will get their limbs back.

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    Wolverine New Member Past Donor

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    Are amputees excluded from those verses?
     
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    I don't see amputees anywhere in the verses. What I see is the promise of the answer for prayer. Christians aren't gauranteed that amputees will get their limbs back.

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    What about the amputees that pray for a new limb? Why are they denied?
     
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    I don't know. Maybe they arn't Christian. Maybe they don't have the faith to be healed. Maybe God doesn't want to give them their limb back.

    You know nothing of God or prayer.

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    Wolverine New Member Past Donor

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    lol

    So Christians are not amputees? Where is those verses does it exclude amputees? Wouldn't amputees by included by default in the whole "god will answer your prayers" being that we both know they are not excluded?
     
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    It doesn't exclude anything. But, your basing the Christians prayer on one set of verses, of which most are the same account.

    Prayer involves the will of God, and the believers faith.

    In John 5:1-16 you see a vast multitude of sick and lame, and blind people. Yet Jesus only healed one? Why? He could have healed them all. But He didn't.

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    Wolverine New Member Past Donor

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    Cruelty comes to mind.
     
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    Comes to your mind, that wants to see miracles? Sure.

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    The rate of something happened for someone who has prayed for it is the same rate of it happening for someone who never prayers at all...about 50/50
     
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    Not so much that I want to see miracles, just confused as to why anyone believes in them given that they do not occur.
     
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    Again, how do you know they do not occur?

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    Who is doing the praying?

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