Ancient Egyptian Race Controversy

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  1. Margot2

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    I don't think the Babylonian exile was fiction.. That's where the Hebrews learned their stories and created their unique identity and history.
     
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    Thats where they came from. their beginning.
     
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    Well that's interesting... I hadn't heard that before.. Which prophet was it that warned the Hebrews about Good Figs and Bad Figs?
     
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    Abraham, the Israelites patriach was from chaldea, babylon.
     
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    I guess Ur was in Babylon... Abraham.. is you don't think he was a literary device... was also the patriarch of the Arabs..
     
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    Sure, Israel separated Afrika and Arabia but since Israel was destroyed the Arabs began to flood Afrika. That begs the question, who was Israel there to support?
     
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    Arabs have been trading with Egypt, East Africa, Mesopotamia and the Indus Valley since long before Israel... They have also been intermarrying that long. Where do you think the snake cults about fertility and rebirth came from?
     
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    Sure but Israel only emerged in times of serious tensions. They were the 'broker' and funnily enough thats how modern day jewish ppl are stereotyped. funneye that huh?
     
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    Broker? What tensions? The Arabs were trading with East Africa a thousand years before Judaism.. They were carrying salt from Arabia and dates and pearls from Dilmun, Copper from Oman, textiles from the East and introduced cotton to Egypt..
     
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    Nebuchadnezzar
     
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    In what context?
     
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    and that has what exactly to do with the Egyptians??? you're inventing scenario's to fit your personal version" of history...there is no record of the Egyptian population being displaced,none...
     
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    That's true.. there isn't. What's up with this rewrite?
     
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    Jonah has implied that Egyptian history isn't well documented and the original Egyptians were originally black Africans who were displaced by the present population...he followed up with displaced Jews captive in Babylon as how can happen and it does but it didn't happen with the Egyptians...Egyptians have had Libyan rulers, Nubian rulers, Persian, rulers, Roman rulers, Byzantine rulers, Macedonian rulers, Ottoman rulers, Arab rulers, British rulers and probably a few more I've forgotten and each left some genetic trace but Egypt still remains populated by essentially the same people for the last 5K yrs...
     
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    You are entitled to your opinion. Idisagree. If it happened in Israel it most likely happened in AEgypt but over a longer period. The Arabs are just as racist as europeans, the Arab slave trade began before european slave trade and both were heinous acts.
     
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    Darfur is a region in Sudan the size of France. It is home to about 6 million people from nearly 100 tribes. Some nomads. Some farmers. All Muslims. In 1989, General Omar Bashir took control of Sudan by military coup, which then allowed The National Islamic Front government to inflame regional tensions. In a struggle for political control of the area, weapons poured into Darfur. Conflicts increased between African farmers and many nomadic Arab tribes.
    In 2003, two Darfuri rebel movements- the Sudan Liberation Army (SLA) and the Justice and Equality Movement (JEM)- took up arms against the Sudanese government, complaining about the marginalization of the area and the failure to protect sedentary people from attacks by nomads. The government of Sudan responded by unleashing Arab militias known as Janjaweed, or “devils on horseback”. Sudanese forces and Janjaweed militia attacked hundreds of villages throughout Darfur. Over 400 villages were completely destroyed and millions of civilians were forced to flee their homes.

    http://www.unitedhumanrights.org/genocide/genocide-in-sudan.htm
     
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    Israel was part of Egypt at the time. 1500bce-1200bce
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    Maybe you should research some more about the Arab slave Trade. This topic covers areas such as Sudan, which in antiquity was Ancient Egypt, specifically, Upper Egypt.
     
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    Look at the North Coast Canaanites..

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    I just don't think they were black.
     
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    I know there were pyramids in Nubia (Sudan) long before there were pyramids in Egypt..

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    I have known a lot of Sudanese in my lifetime so I have followed events in Sudan rather closely over the years. I was somewhat hopeful when the Saudis built 14 clinics and 90 water wells in Darfur... as part of the problem in Darfur is lack of water... When violence erupted the Darfur farmers/refugees abandoned their villages and converged on just a few areas stressing water assets and making matters worse.

    The Arab Slave trade is another issue.. and was very different than the European slave trade.
     
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    Professor Robert O Collins, a historian at the University of California, concludes that some 12,580,000 slaves were exported from Africa between 800 AD and 1900 in the Arab Slave Trade (East Afrika)

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    Of course you dont, you and I both have been conditioned to believe that 'blacks' couldnt possibly have built the Pyramids of Giza and the Temples at Abydos that the whole world salivates over.
     
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    The Arab slave trade is at the very heart of this topic! We shall be discussing it in depth hopefully :)
     
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    I have never said that Blacks couldn't have built the Pyramids.. That's a silly accusation.

    How could Prof Collins make such an estimate? One problem in many parts of the Arab world was small populations and little arable land. They couldn't feed large slave populations.. They couldn't feed themselves.
     
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    We hired a Sudanese slave in the 1950s to work as a house man. He was free by edict by Ibn Saud in 1952 and stayed on to earn some money for his future... Slavery was completely outlawed in 1962. I remember him because he was fairly young and handsome with the hole in his ear. .. My mother also trusted him to help with the small children and meals.

    In East Africa the slaves became pearl divers off Qatar and Bahrain.. They sometimes tended date groves or worked as domestics... or as sailors on the Dhows... or collected salt to sell from the salt flats.

    I think it was much worse in West Africa.. .. The Dutch East Indies company provided slaves for Brazilian sugar plantations.. after all local labor ran off or died of conflict and disease. The sugar (and rum) was bound for New Amsterdam and Europe.. They also mined guano.. and as it expanded to the north (US) they worked cotton, rice, tobacco, indigo.... etc.

    After their cargo was unloaded in Europe.. the slaveships bought tools, tinpots, liquor, cloth, and beads to trade with the African Chieftans for more slaves.
     
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    This is what weve been conditioned to believe and why you find it so hard to envisage.
     

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