And Now The Conspiracy Theories

The Jews did it, the Jews did it. Wrong, it was the FBI.

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'They were set up, FBI followed them for years'- Tsarnaevs' mother to RT

“They used to come [to our] home, they used to talk to me…they were telling me that he [the older, 26-y/o Tamerlan] was really an extremist leader and that they were afraid of him. They told me whatever information he is getting, he gets from these extremist sites… they were controlling him, they were controlling his every step…and now they say that this is a terrorist act! Never ever is this true, my sons are innocent!”

When asked if maybe she didn’t know about some of her sons’ more secret aspirations and dark secrets, she said “That’s impossible. My sons would never keep a secret.”Finally, she said that if she could speak to her youngest – Dzhokhar, she would tell him, “Save your life and tell the truth, that you haven’t done anything, that this is a set up!”

http://rt.com/usa/tsarnaev-brothers-parents-innocent-124/

 

I'm sure they are "innocent" in her mind (Father said the same thing, called them angels), just as she was innocent of shoplifting... not.

No excuse for what these two rabid animals are accused of doing, but they weren't exactly raised in a stable family home.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2311653/Boston-bombings-Mother-Boston-bombing-suspects-arrested-year-stealing-1-600-worth-clothes-Lord--Taylor.html


Mug shot...

 

The bombers have done enough evil that there's plenty enough to complain about already without dragging their grieving mother into the mud. Mod edit,,flounder

Maternal denial is quite common. The woman JUST lost multiple children, and is obviously going to be in a severe state of grief and shock. And you want to take her comments while she is in this state in order to judge her? Like you would act differently and in the same shoes? Like you'd be in the front row of the lynch mob for your own kids?

Irrespective of what her kids may have done she has done nothing to deserve this vile treatment, Jeannette.

Oh and Angedras, are you aware that an arrest isn't proof of any wrongdoing whatsoever, let alone evidence that their entire upbringing was of a broken home? When was the guilty verdict? Or are you also jumping to conclusions to facilitate your slander for people not guilty of any wrongdoing?

 

Yes, I am aware that an arrest isn't proof of wrongdoing. Such is the situation with her son I suppose. Although he has been arrested, there is no proof of wrongdoing, right?

To correct your misrepresentation of what I saying... from accounts I've read, the family bounced around from country to country before being allowed to stay in the U.S.. The farther abandoned the family, returning to Russia, and apparently the Mother is not what I would deem to have stellar behavioral qualities.

Not exactly what I would call a nice, loving, "stable" home environment.


My intention was not to "slander" anyone. The information (if you chose to seek it out) speaks for itself, however.

 

But it's what we do here!

Whenever people would go to Al Capone's mom and ask about her son, she'd always say, "Al's a good boy."

To a degree yeah the thread is a tad tacky, but I'll admit I went to bed last night thinking "We're gonna get posters accusing the CIA of using mind-control devices on these two screwballs tomorrow. Or maybe somehow the Rothschilds were gonna get blamed for it, or the Jews." And looking over the history of this forum, it's not an unreasonable prediction.

 

That + it starts with some strawman about 'Jews', when no one has even mentioned Jews.

On top of which, it is getting a bit boring that there are so many threads dealing with the same subject.

Like I said, why not merge them into one or two threads, rather than choke up every single section of PF with the same topic..

 

Of course and even the Sandy Hook massacre has been called by some as a false flag. That's not what I was commenting about though.. I'm just saying there's no good reason to pass judgement on a woman's comments when she just lost two kids not even a day before and is obviously going to be in a state of shock. If someone wants to suggest that it was really the Stuart Wolf alter ego from the bizarro world who planted the bombs under the mind control influence of the lizard people from the future then by all means pass judgement on them! In all fairness though that's the first thing I thought of when I saw the news. I still can't even rule it out.

 

The suspects, their name is "TEA vs NRA".

 

This is laughable, especially coming from you, Jack.

Don't like it, take it up with the staff.

 

I can comment on it if I wish, and I can suggest threads be merged, if there are too many, about one topic.

It is a fair point, if someone has something to add, why NOT add to an existing thread, rather than create a new one?

 

There's no misrepresentation of what you are saying, you ONLY mentioned her arrest for alleged shoplifting as your evidence for why she is not innocent and why these kids were brought up in an unstable home. Don't blame me for not going on a wild goose chase to see if there's other things you could have used to make such a case, which would have been easier for you to just mention instead of posting a mug shot.

What have you read about the behavioral qualities of the mother?

Yes some cases have lots of evidence of wrongdoing without any arrest, while others have zero evidence even with arrest and trial. Because wrong arrests do happen. We can look it on a case-by-case basis. It is silly for you to try to pretend that two cases wildly different should have the same extent of known facts, as though what we know about the bombing, which likely involved thousands of man hours of investigation hours already, should have any bearing about what is known about a shoplifting allegation from last year.

So what's the evidence of the shoplifting?

She was arrested in June of last year, yet you didn't answer me about what happened in court.

 

I'm sorry, where did the jews come into this? Or is this just another IF attempt to milk a little antisemite sympathy out of completely unrelated trajedy?

 

More like a comment on how the Jews/Zionism is a disproportionate part of the discussions/threads on the World Events side, so much so that they will get blamed eventually.

 

As I said, Israel Firsters and Zionists never let a good tragedy go to waste if they can wring a little unrelated and bizarre antisemite sympathy out of it.

If nobody is talking about jewish suffering, well, they'll make you talk about jewish suffering.

 

The flip side to that argument is that the Jew and Zionists-obsessed also never let a good tragedy go to waste if they can also wring more anti-semetism out of it, and that if no one is condemning Zionism and the Jews, they'll make people do so.

Honestly, I think the whole thing on both sides is played out at this point.

 

Even before there were NO suspects, and NO motive known, I do not know anyone on here that was pinning it on 'Jews'. Indeed, I went one better than that, and urged people to stop speculating, stop pretending to care for the victims, when they are really using it as a stick to beat up their own hated target. But that is not enough for some people, is it? No. Even when faced with a total absence of anyone blaming it on 'Jews', and despite moaning if anyone had done so, they have to invent it.

How transparent.

 

The only people that were going around blaming anyone, were not people like me, so let us stick with the facts, rather than your crystal ball.

With that being said, if more information comes to light that casts a shadow of doubt of the official line, of course people should shine a light on the shadows.

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Strawman.

It's not the case.

The evidence of it not being the case, is all over the forum, in this tragic event.

 

Show us where ANYTHING in this incident has been tied to jews.

 

I think that Angedras is saying that instead of the Mother blaming the FBI, she should focus on her own influence in her sons actions. In fact, the FBI had repeatedly told the Mother and family that her oldest son was being influenced by foreign radicals. So the FBI was actually trying to help the family to help the son to help our country by sparing us any radical Muslim wrath. Consequently the FBI was a better, more caring Parent than the family. It shows a great quality in our FBI. But they can only do so much. The real leverage, influence and spiritual authority rests with the family. Yet the Mother accuses the FBI. We all understand a Mothers sometimes misguided defense of her own children. But adults speaking amongst themselves on a forum may with confidence reveal the Mothers wrongheadedness as a matter of record, and lest any lack understanding, be secured by the rehearsal of good sense held in common.

 

To a degree, it's a strawman pointing out the strawman argument being made. Using absurdity to illustrate the absurd, if you will.

Nevertheless, I've been saying for awhile now that Zionism/Israel has been overly discussed on World Events. Now you know how I feel.

 

Let's deal with facts.

Not wishful thinking, or strawmen.

Read my posts since this happened.

I was the one calling for cool heads, and respect, all across the board.

I was the one being critical of those trying to make it into their political hobby horse, from day one.

I have made no commitment to who may have done what, and why.

I even told one American on here, that rather than use the incident to sit and use it as a political football, why not contact Boston rescue teams, or a charity there, and see if he can actually do some good, and offer his help.

No one has made this about Jews. As I have said, when a clear picture emerges, if there are true flaws in the story, then sure, it would be fine to call those out, and go with wherever the truth takes us, right?

 

Oh please, we all know that as we speak, the anti Zionists are scouring the internet for any tidbit to tie this to the Jews. They will go so far as to say that the Jews are gladdened by our sufferings, in that we are more likely to relate to the Jewish plight. Come to think of it, you sort of did that in your post when you said "Zionists never let a good tragedy go to waste if they can wring a little unrelated and bizarre antisemite sympathy out of it." So there ya go. gosh it's drippy...

 

Injeun, please SHOW us threads on here, re Boston, in which anyone has even remotely quoted Jews as being culpable?

 

Believe it or not, I actually understood your point. I'm not sure you're getting mine though.

You've said a few times that there's been too many threads about the Boston Terror Attack. To a degree I agree there, but then I say I've been saying the same thing about another topic and everyone disagrees. There's a disconnect here, if you see what I mean. If you want all the threads about the terror attack merged, there's many other threads on another topic or two that should be as well.

 

RT... the media is spreading the phrase conspiracy theory as a political label into the minds of the people because by doing that they ridicule a conspiracy so that people don't take conspiracy very serious (or via the contradictionary way, thats what eg Infowars does, exaggerate a terror event, ridicule) Because behind every terror attack over the past thousands of year was a mastermind (insane or not), an individual, or a small group of masterminds that conspired a terror attack. Not a single media is seriously connecting the dots, does serious investigation or/and is wide open (only when the system start to self-expose, this is what seems to happen also, this will cause a mass awakening, means they revolutionize the people/masses)
When a politcian should ask serious questions not one can be trusted, so only the people themselves can dig into the matter and find out. Finding out how the media is using the events to try to cause revolution in the masses is more important than finding out about the terror itself, because it's the propaganda that is causing fight into the people, because people want answers, and the media and politics are holding back the answers to let the people fight/struggle against them, and when a majority of people fight against the system they have a problem. Because this is what politics/the system needs, a mass of people that is fighting against them, because then they can bring forward one of their politicians or organisations who will find out or asks serious questions, and this way they can bring a large majority behind one leader or organisation. Ones they have a majority organized the rest will be history (again)