Anti-mask doctor's medical license suspended

Cheers to the Oregon Medical Board for removing this dangerous threat from the healthcare system. I hope a full investigation is underway and that criminal charges will be filed for the self-admitted violation of the PPE order and for the self-admitted intentional endangerment of patients. I don't know what cracker-jack box this clown got his alleged medical degree from but this suspension should be permanent and no other state should license him to practice ever again. I can imagine the medical malpractice lawyers in Oregon smell blood in the water and that every mishap or bad judgement this disgraced former physician ever experienced will now face a whole new level of much deserved scrutiny.

 

While I agree that he needed to be suspended, this is not a full revocation. By definition a suspension is temporay. Usually the Board requires retraining (in infectious disease control practices) and may later reinstate the license with probation and monitoring. If he behaves, he might continue to be able to practice. From the news, it doesn't seem likely, though, as he is doubling down in his boneheaded statements.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/pro-trump-doctor-bragged-not-152212652.html

I'm sure he wants to run for office, and maybe committed license suicide to get the banner of martyrdom.

 

Please pardon me for butting in here, @CenterField , but because your opinion is one I value, please tell me if there is one COVID-19 vaccine candidate (that should be available here in the States fairly soon) that you prefer over others. I'm inclined to think that for a variety of reasons, including handling and required storage/transportation storage, the Moderna vaccine may be the better one to hold out for, but I don't know anything. Please, which do you like, if any...?

 

True enough but on the other hand a suspension can often be the first step to a permanent loss of licensing, which I hope will be the case after presumed investigations are complete. Training and monitoring can be great corrective actions for violations that are the result of accidental lapses in diligence or whatnot. But this man and his staff proudly and intentionally put people at risk by disregarding the PPE orders (and as you said, continue to stand by that) and therefore should never be allowed to practice medicine again IMO.

 

I have posted a list of preferences, by order, in my State of the Vaccines thread, the one pinned to the top of the Covid Pandemic Discussions (not News, Discussions) subforum. In that post I described the pros and cons of all the main candidates that are about to finish up phase 3 or have finished it up.

But to be short, yes, I do place Moderna's first. 94.1% efficacy, of the 5.9% that got infected despite the vaccine, no case was serious (unlike 1 case for the Pfizer one), no problems in phase 3 (unlike AstraZeneca's and Jansen's), and no need for deep cold.

My main problem with the Pfizer is that it is too delicate. People handling it need to swirl the vial but not shake or else it breaks down. The deep cold chain needs to be strictly maintained. The boxes can be opened only twice a day and for no more than 2 minutes each time. Dry ice needs to be replaced every 5 days, for up to a total of 15 days, and the 5 days start counting the moment it leaves the deep cold warehouse. Sure, if it's all good and it's been maintained at the proper temperatures and handled correctly, it does have 95% efficacy, but what if there is some accidental breakdown of the cold chain and some low-level employee who makes the mistake, doesn't report it for fear of being fired, and people get a vaccine that has spoiled? The Moderna one only requires regular freezers for storage for up to 6 months, and can be kept in a refrigerator for 30 days once thawed. The Pfizer one, only 5 days.

 

Thank you so much, @CenterField . Your expertise is greatly appreciated. I will go to your thread, "State of the Vaccines" now. All the best to you!

 

To expect every neighborhood and grocery store pharmacy to uphold the strict handling and storage standards needed to maintain that vaccine is simple not reasonable. Mistake will be made, protocols will lapse, doses will be rendered inert or worse.

 

Maybe we should just fly everybody down to the East Antarctic Plateau to get the Pfizer vaccine shot. There, the Pfizer vaccine would not even need any supplemental refrigeration -- because the temperature is frequently below the 95-DEGREES BELOW ZERO required for storage of that company's vaccine (hint: it's the coldest place on the planet).

. "Awright! Get in line and roll up your sleeves!"

 

I'd live there if they let me. I tried once to join up with a technical support attachment through USAP but the approval process seemed to be that if you don't already know someone on the inside or have a long list worth of scientific journal publications to your name then you're SOL.

 

The Pfizer one will be the initial wave of vaccine in the US. Shipping it to hospitals that can handle the technical requirements for storage will also insure that it ends up being used for healthcare workers, etc. first and not hijacked and routed onto the black market. It would be kind of hard for someone to swipe something that needs to be stored at 80 below zero.

 

Excellent.

 

Correct. Contrary to initial plans, there's been a push to revise and NOT have the Pfizer vaccine in primary care offices and pharmacies, but rather, in large vaccination sites sponsored by health departments with all the deep cold chain and trained personnel to handle it. Other venues might just handle the Moderna and the AstraZeneca ones, when available.

 

Everyone from Dr. Fauci to the US Surgeon General went on TV explaining that people should NOT wear masks because they are more likely to infect themselves if they do.

At least we know all the "experts" lied to everyone about masks.

 

And they changed their tune pretty quickly, when the science on airborne transmission came out. For a little while there, they focused.on surface transmission. Then they did what rational, functioning adults do: account for new knowledge. The President went on his hoax tour for a while after.

 

That's a beautiful display of the political nature of Operation Covid.

 

Exactly right. Medical experts' messages changed and evolved as more information was made available. But there will always be those who point to the early messages and contend that doctors lied or flip flopped.

 

Translation: you don't understand their reasons. You can read them. Good luck.

 

This is exactly why people like myself have a hard time falling in line with the "science" community. This guy is a doctor and he holds that opinion. My guess, he knows a lot more about healthcare and medicine than you do, yet he doesn't believe masks are necessary. He is a threat to the medical community because he is not some whacked out, conspiracy theorists, rather a licensed doctor. Rather than value his opinion and allow him to voice his opinion they suspend him and threaten to take his license. How many more times does this happen in the vaccine community, or in the climate change community? Maybe legitimate experts are worried to dissent for fear of this type of persecution. If this doctor's patients felt they were at risk for going to him, they are free to go to another doctor.

 

All bullshit aside, I remember well what my dentist told me when I asked him about masks way back in February.

He said that masks help prevent a person from SPREADING a disease that he may already have on to OTHER people -- and that the vast majority of masks available to the general public do not prevent a person from getting the virus into their bodies!

Masks can 'intercept' the comparatively huge 'droplets' that can contain viruses, but the viruses themselves are so microscopically tiny that nothing but professional-grade masks attached to these bio-lab 'space suits' that researchers wear at work can be relied on to keep viruses out of the human body.

I wear a mask every time I go out in public -- but -- I'm fully aware that tightly covering the mouth and nose with a paper mask (even one with a 'valve' in it) still leaves your EYES wide open. So, sure, it helps a lot to have people wearing masks, if only to help keep an infected person's virus to himself -- but a commonly-available mask will not (NOT) protect you from getting the virus from someone else in the first place!

The best strategy? Stay the hell away from other people! It's really as simple as that, when you push "all bullshit aside"....

 

Someone who doesn't believe in the necessity of masks is a whacked out conspiracy theorist because the overwhelming amount of information existing from decades past, reaffirmed with great interest in the last year, confirms the critical need of masks. If an anti-masker is making their stance based on this nutter nonsense then they are, by definition, a whacked out conspiracy theories akin to Flat Earthers and Ghost Hunters.

 

Actually it was a display of law enforcement that followed law breaking.

 

The enforcement of illegitimate laws, AKA tyranny.

The "crisis" exists only in the media and in the minds of the gullible and frightened.

No government in the US has the power to tell the citizen what he must wear on his face.

 

Each state empowers through codification the authority for medical boards to set standards by which practitioners may operate. Its quite legitimate and has been for decades. And if you think about it the government absolutely has the power to tell citizens when and where they must wear PPE. Ever heard of OSHA? They have a few thousand pages worth of codes regulating the use of PPE in various workplaces. Tens of millions of Americans right the moment are wearing PPE at their jobs because the government requires it. C'mon man snap out of this anti-masker delusion. You're not a solider in some grand tyrannical resistance. You're the guy hold us all back by not being part of the team. Just be part of the team, we need you.

 

No, they are simply shutting down speech that they don't like. I thought that doctors were "experts" on this topic?? Or is it just the doctors who decide to play along with the scam??

Not a crime. Not endangering any patients.

So you wish for him to be blacklisted? Got it...