Anyone Have An Experience With Covid

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  1. MuchAdo

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    In reading your quote, you seem to be trusting misinformation related to both vaccines and ventilator deaths.

    Breathing tubes were not responsible for a ‘great deal of Covid deaths’. This misinformation came from a story in the ‘The People’s Voice’ formerly known as NewsPunch and Your News Wire. This particular website is well-known for misinformation and does not have any writers with actual medical expertise. To be fair, I read what they had to say, read the study they were referring to just in case they had any relevant points and it became apparent they had published misinformation.

    The study concluded that secondary pneumonia associated with mechanical ventilation contributes to a patient’s death when it doesn’t respond to treatment. The writer at the People’s Voice concluded that being put on ventilators was causing the death of the Covid patients. The author did not realize that the patients placed on a ventilator would have died without that intervention. The study wasn’t looking at the effect of ventilating Covid-19 patients but looking at whether certain factors contribute to good or bad outcomes in the ICU. The study wasn’t considering only Covid either.

    The researchers found that developing secondary pneumonia (developing a second pneumonia while on a ventilator for pneumonia) contributes to a poor outcome if antibiotics and supportive care don’t resolve the pneumonia.

    Anybody who works with ventilated patients knows that ventilator-associated pneumonia is a real risk to all patients on a ventilator and not just Covid patients. When you put a tube in the windpipe it adds an opening for bacteria. Ventilators were not the cause of death for ventilated Covid patients. Ventilators are used as a life-saving measure for patients who are in respiratory failure and who will die if they don’t receive mechanical ventilation. Respiratory failure means you can no longer breathe on your own. No ventilation at this point means death. The risk of ventilation is a chance of bacteria getting access to poorly working lungs via the tube.

    If you have a Covid-19 patient who can no longer breathe on their own the risk of developing ventilator associated pneumonia is generally around 25 to 40 percent. Medical staff are aware of the risks and can treat with antibiotics and supportive care. By the time patients are ventilated they are often very sick and the body can’t fight off further infections. The patients don’t die from being put on the ventilator because they would have died without ventilation. It’s a last ditch effort to provide oxygen to people who can’t breathe on their own and a known risk is ventilator-associated pneumonia. So The People’s Voice published a bunch of misinformation.

    Put it this way, if you get into a really bad car accident with multiple lethal injuries and you get surgery for some of the injuries and still die anyways, it’s not the surgery that killed you, it’s the fact that you were in a terrible car accident and life-saving surgery failed to save you. It wasn’t the surgery that caused death, it was the car accident.

    So no a ‘great deal of deaths’ were not ‘due to using those breathing tubes. They were due to Covid destroying the lungs and then a cascade of organ failures causing death.

    Regarding the short testing time for vaccines. Yes, the mRNA vaccines were rolled out incredibly fast and this was due to a few reasons. The technology to make the vaccines had been studied for decades prior to the Pandemic. Scientists also have spent decades studying corona viruses. The exact virus causing the pandemic was discovered and shared early. Once you know the exact virus, it’s more straight forward to develop a vaccine. At no other time in history have thousands of scientists actually worked together to share information and to get the vaccines out. This was a worldwide effort, not an effort by a single lab with a few staff. Because the world has been producing vaccines for ages, a lot is known especially related to safety. Some trial levels were carried out simultaneously to save time. Protocols were followed and just to state the testing time was too short is a pitiful attempt to discredit the vaccine according to non-scientists who don’t understand vaccines and clinical trials. Did people want to have to wait for five to ten years for a vaccine roll-out when it could have been accomplished way faster?That would have more lockdowns and millions more deaths. There haven’t been millions of deaths caused by vaccines, there have been very few. From the roll-out of vaccines up until July 2021, over 339 million vaccine doses were given in the USA and only THREE deaths were linked directly to the vaccine. Whether the vaccines were rolled out rapidly is a moot point.

    If anybody is interested, there is a book called “Vaxxers: The Inside Story of the Oxford AstraZeneca Vaccine and the Race Against the Virus”, it’s absolutely fascinating account of how the vaccine was produced, the history of mRNA research and so forth. After reading it, it becomes exceedingly difficult to believe the misinformation being churned out by people who have the credentials of a Google Researcher.

    So, rather than comments about sheeple and such, it’s worth taking a look at multiple sources of information and it becomes clear what is misinformation and what isn’t.
     
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    Health Canada are conspiracy theorists.

    Canada's Department of Health (Health Canada) has confirmed that the cancer-causing Polyomavirus Simian Virus 40 (SV40) sequence is indeed present in Pfizer's Wuhan coronavirus (COVID-19) mRNA vaccines.

    SV40 was first discovered in the kidney cells of rhesus monkeys and later used to make both the inactivated polio vaccine injected using a syringe and the oral polio vaccine. However, SV40 was found to cause cancer in animals – leading to the passage of a law in 1961 that prohibited its inclusion in vaccines.
     
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    "talk about"

    neat trick
     
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    How is it obvious to you?
     
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    Statistically how often do you think people need to be lied to before they understand they are being lied to?

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    Was your your wife's cousin put on a Ventilator? Were they given Remdesvir?

    He called out the misuse of ventilators from the get go, then was relieved of his position in the ER:



    Ventilators and Intubation
    A Respiratory Therapist's Perspective
    https://markbishofsky.substack.com/p/ventilators-and-intubation?


    Ventilation pressures were higher than safe limit. Why? That destroys lungs.

    Ventilator associated lung injury
    https://www.wikem.org/wiki/Ventilator_high_pressures
    Terminology

    An acute lung injury that is suspected to have developed during mechanical ventilation is termed ventilator-associated lung injury (VALI)
    If it can be proven that the mechanical ventilation caused the acute lung injury it is termed ventilator-induced lung injury (VILI)
    VALI is the appropriate term in most clinical situations because it is virtually impossible to prove causation outside of the research laboratory

    Epidemiology

    1 in 4 mechanically ventilated patients will develop VALI for reasons other than acute lung injury (ALI) or Acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS)[1]

    Pathogenesis

    VALI is alveolar injury caused by overexpansion of alveoli (volutrauma), repeated alveolar collapse and expansion (RACE), and cyclic atelectasis
    Eventually, in serve VALI/ARDS alveoli edema/bleeding and loss of surfactant can cause complete alveoli collapse[2]


    In the beginning everyone was told that if they got the vaccine then they wouldn't get covid and couldn't spread it. We learned that isn't true.

    Then there was the remdesvir scam, no? How many were killed by that?

    Conversely, the hospitals did receive a massive financial incentive to diagnose patients with COVID-19, administer remdesivir - https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...0638001/?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

    rather ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine and to place patients on ventilators. Here, I do believe the payoff was large enough to argue it influenced medical decision making. - AMD

    https://www.midwesterndoctor.com/p/why-do-doctors-push-dangerous-pharmaceuticals?



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    Dr. Paul Marik is the 2nd most published critical care doctor in the history of medicine with more than 500 peer reviewed papers and books with over 43,000 citations of his work and a scholarly “H” rating, higher than many Nobel Prize winners. - @darkymax

    Late last year, in December 2022, my mother went into hospital.

    The frail 75-year-old, after 3 years of the pandemic we had to have, finally managed to “catch covid” in hospital. Well, she had a mild sniffle, so two nurses wearing hazmat suits came in to Rapid Antigen Test her. It came up positive. Mum told me that they turned to each other, with fear in their eyes, as if they were in the midst of the grim reaper himself.

    Mum was sharing the room with a lady who was half deaf, and who’s TV was damaging her ear drums all day. So, she was quite relieved when they quickly escorted the lady out of the room, to save her from the dreaded virus, and give mum a full week of peace and quiet while in “isolation”.

    When I spoke to her on the phone, she said that the nurses and doctors were telling her to not worry, as they had antivirals for her. I told her to tell them that they were not allowed to give her anything without my approval and to get the doctor to call me.

    And so, he did, the next day.

    From his accent I knew he was from Iran, probably immigrated to Australia relatively recently. He didn’t sound annoyed at having to call me.

    He said that they wanted to give mum some antivirals to help her with her covid, but that she had told him to call me.

    “I assume it’s either Remdesivir or Paxlovid, you want to give her?” I asked.

    “Yes, that’s right, you know about them?” He said, with a hint of pleasant surprise that he might be talking to an understanding peer.

    “Yes, I do. I want to be very clear. Under no circumstance whatsoever are you allowed to give her either of those two drugs. In fact, you are not allowed to give her anything without my prior approval. You are only allowed to give her some supplements such as Vit C, D and Zinc. Can you please confirm that we have an understanding?”

    I was now expecting some resistance, some indignation, at the very least some attitude. I didn’t get any.

    “Yes, I understand. That won’t be a problem.”

    This is December 2022. I am sure that if I had tried that moved in December 2020, or even 2021, I would have had the bruised ego of the medical class to contend with. But he rolled over like a puppy.

    So, I pressed on.

    “I don’t know about you, but neither I, nor more importantly my mother, are afraid of covid. As far as we are concerned, we are happy to treat it the way we would a common cold.”

    And here is the punchline, delivered by mum’s surrendered, and frankly quite pleasant, Iranian Australian doctor.

    “Look, I’ve had four doses of the vaccine and had covid twice, so I don’t know what to think anymore.”

    And with that we farewelled each other.
     

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    https://viralimmunologist.substack.com/p/interview-about-pfizers-adulterated?

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    I am astonished. Canada’s health regulatory agency has made a stunning admission about Pfizer’s COVID-19 shots. They seem to be grasping reality again; at least for an issue that is a big no-no in the regulation of novel medical products.

    First, some background information…

    Pfizer’s COVID-19 shots consist of three parts:

    1. A tiny genetic blueprint for the spike protein from SARS-CoV-2, which can cause COVID-19 in some people. This blueprint is called modified RNA.

    2. Lipid nanoparticles, which are tiny fat bubbles that carry the modRNA throughout the body.

    3. A carrier solution that allows the first two products to be injected into the body.
    RNA comes from DNA. So, for Pfizer to manufacture their modRNA, they used a form of DNA that comes from bacteria. It is called bacterial plasmid DNA. This is used to make many copies of the modRNA that then get packaged into the lipid nanoparticles.

    The bacterial plasmid DNA is then supposed to be removed from the material that gets injected into people. Unfortunately, it turns out that this was not done properly. It appears that most, if not all of the batches of Pfizer’s COVID-19 shots were contaminated with excessive amounts of fragmented bacterial DNA. A few of the problems is that this DNA…

    • can be very long-lasting

    • can be a source of proteins that are encoded in the DNA

    • has the potential to be incorporated into a person’s chromosomes

    • can cause inflammation in the body

    • was not disclosed to anyone receiving the shots
    Kudos to Kevin McKernan from the USA, who is a great scientist and the person who discovered this issue.

    Now, here is one of the biggest shockers about this contaminating bacterial DNA:

    The bacterial DNA contains a genetic sequence called the ‘SV40 enhancer’ (‘SV40’ because it comes from ‘Simian Virus 40’). The virus from which this genetic sequence is derived has been implicated in causing cancers in people. It was odd that this was put into the bacterial DNA because its intended function is duplicated by another non-controversial sequence. Here is where things get really ugly. Pfizer was required to disclose to health regulatory agencies all of the bioactive sequences in the bacterial plasmid DNA that they used to manufacture their shots. Pfizer DID NOT DISCLOSE the presence of the genetic sequence from SV40 !!!

    Here is another bombshell. A friend and member of my research team, the incredible Canadian virologist Dr. David Speicher, just released a preprint article today. He authored it with the great Kevin McKernan, awesome Jessica Rose, amazing Maria Gutschi, and fabulous David Wiseman. I can attest to the integrity and intellectual brilliance of each of these individuals.

    I would like to point you to a Substack article in which Dr. Speicher provided some personal background information. The preprint article can be found here.

    The results of Dr. Speicher’s research are profound. He generated the largest data set to date on this topic, using vials from multiple Canadian batches of both the Pfizer and Moderna shots. Every single one was contaminated with bacterial DNA. He also confirmed the presence of the SV40 enhancer sequence in the contaminating DNA in Pfizer’s Canadian vials. And this is hot off the press: he is the first to test a batch of Moderna’s newest booster COVID-19 shot; it was also contaminated, although Moderna’s bacterial DNA does not contain the genetic sequence from SV40.

    Speicher, McKernan, and others sharing these scientific findings have been the focus of attacks from many so-called ‘misinformation experts’; none of whom have been able to refute their findings. Colleagues at my own academic institution even took to attacking Dr. Speicher in social media, at least in part as a way to get at me. Faculty and others attacking a member of someone’s research team is profoundly inappropriate. Most academic institutions would view such behaviour, at a minimum, as a form of academic misconduct.

    My intention with this article is not to debate the potential harms of the contaminants. There is no question that the safety issue must be taken seriously and robust research must be encouraged and funded. After all, most people in the world have likely had excessive amounts of contaminating bacterial DNA injected into their bodies and there are multiple potential mechanisms whereby this DNA could cause harm.

    What I do want to emphasize is this:

    The Epoch Times just published a very important article about this issue. Note the stunning headline…

    Health Canada Confirms Undisclosed Presence of DNA Sequence in Pfizer Shot

    The article directly quotes an email sent by Health Canada to Epoch Times. Specifically, the following was disclosed…

    Health Canada expects sponsors to identify any biologically functional DNA sequences within a plasmid (such as an SV40 enhancer) at the time of submission"

    The ‘sponsor’ in this case is Pfizer.

    Health Canada went on to say…

    "Although the full DNA sequence of the Pfizer plasmid was provided at the time of initial filing, the sponsor did not specifically identify the SV40 sequence."

    And only because Kevin McKernan and others revealed the unexpected presence of the SV40 sequence…

    it was possible for Health Canada to confirm the presence of the enhancer based on the plasmid DNA sequence submitted by Pfizer against the published SV40 enhancer sequence."

    This is an admission of epic proportions, coming from Health Canada. One must wonder why Pfizer would not disclose the presence of a biologically functional DNA sequence to a health regulator when it is clearly their responsibility to do so. I suspect that Health Canada is not happy that their rules were not adhered to and that this was only discovered by objective third-party scientists of integrity who worked diligently despite incessant harassment, defamation, and threats.

    Notably, Pfizer has been granted legal indemnity for their shots; something which in and of itself should be a major concern. However, an important court ruling was recently made in Michigan, USA. Specifically, the court ruled that a pharmaceutical company’s legal indemnity was null and void for a contaminated version of the medical product. The product, but not any contaminants are subject to the legal indemnity. And failing to disclose a bioactive component would seem to go one step further. You can read an article about the legal issue here.

    So, it would follow that Pfizer’s legal indemnity should be null and void for shots that contaminated with bacterial DNA that included a bioactive sequence that was not disclosed to regulatory agencies.

    I wonder what people will think knowing that Health Canada has listened to ‘misinformation spreading scientists’, done their own homework, and then confirmed that they were duped by Pfizer.

    If Health Canada was duped, then everyone that received a Pfizer shot was duped.

    I call this a proof of principle. What other important information might Pfizer have withheld from regulatory agencies? When someone is caught being deceitful, the onus is not on the one deceived to find a way to trust the deceiver again. Rather, the onus is on the deceiver to earn trust back through a slow, methodical, and repetitious cycle.

    This news was broken by Epoch Times several hours ago. This news should be breaking around the world. I just did a search and couldn’t find anything on this from the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation.

    This issue can serve as a litmus test in two areas…

    1. If Health Canada does not immediately halt the use of Pfizer’s COVID-19 shots and pursue disciplinary action, then they are undeserving of public trust. It would be an egregious ignorance of the sacred precautionary principle.

    2. Any state-funded news agencies that do not broadcast this bombshell information will demonstrate that they have no concern for the concept of fully informed consent, especially as they continue to espouse taking the shots.
    For people who have taken the Pfizer shot, please leave honest feedback in the comments…

    • Did you consent to receiving shots contaminated with bacterial DNA that includes a bioactive genetic sequence for which Health Canada has confirmed its presence and that they were not informed about it, which contradicts their rules?

    • How does it make you feel that Pfizer duped Health Canada?

    • How confident are you in the ‘safe and effective’ mantra after learning of these admissions by Health Canada?
    I have often been accused of spreading ‘misinformation’, even though my early warning signals, which have always been solidly based on scientific facts, have proven correct over and over again. But, you don’t need to listen to me on this one. Maybe hearing egregious admissions directly from Health Canada will help wake a few more people up to reality.

    This news needs to be spread far and wide. Out of fairness, and for the sake of full disclosure, every person that received at least one Pfizer COVID-19 shot deserves to know this truth.

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    https://rumble.com/v3u7l04-not-safe-for-children-or-pregnant-women-dr.-william-makis.html


    Remember this:

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2052297523001075

    ‘Results


    Among 30,202 patients for whom information on treatment was available, 191/23,172 (0.82%) patients treated with HCQ-AZ died, compared to 344/7030 (4.89%) who did not receive treatment with HCQ-AZ. HCQ-AZ therapy was associated with a lower mortality than treatment without HCQ-AZ (odds ratio (OR) 0.16; 95% confidence interval (CI), 0.14–0.19). After adjustment for sex, age, period, and patient management, HCQ-AZ was associated with a significantly lower mortality rate (adjusted OR (aOR) 0.55, 95% CI 0.45–0.68). On a subsample of 21,664 patients with available variant information, results remained robust after adjustment on sex, age, patient management and variant (aOR 0.55; 95% CI 0.44–0.69). On a subsample of 16,063 patients, HCQ-AZ was still associated with a significantly lower mortality rate (aOR 0.47, 95%CI 0.29–0.75) after adjustment for sex, age, period, patient management, vaccination status and comorbidities.





    See table 2, Figure 1; Four persons died after the first vaccine jab, the remaining case after the second dose. All persons died within the first week


    https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00392-022-02129-5#Sec3

    Cardiac autopsy findings consistent with (epi-)myocarditis were found in five cases of the remaining 25 bodies found unexpectedly dead at home within 20 days following SARS-CoV-2 vaccination.

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    Remember the Horse Dewormer Scam?


    Papers reviewed:



    2023 Sep.23 – Man-Yuan Li et al – Ivermectin induces nonprotective autophagy by downregulating PAK1 and apoptosis in lungadenocarcinoma cells

    2023 May – Samy et al – Eprinomectin: a derivative of ivermectin suppresses growth and metastatic phenotypes of prostatecancer cells by targeting the β-catenin signaling pathway

    2022 Nov – Lotfalizadeh et al – The Anticancer potential of Ivermectin: Mechanisms of action and therapeutic implications

    2022 Oct – Jian Liu et al – Progress in Understanding the Molecular Mechanisms Underlying the Antitumour Effects of Ivermectin

    2022 Jun – Daeun Lee et al – Ivermectin suppresses pancreatic cancer via mitochondria dysfunction

    2021 Aug – Shican Zhou et al – Ivermectin has New Application in Inhibiting Colorectal Cancer Cell Growth

    2021 Jan – Mingyang Tang et al – Ivermectin, a potential anticancer drug derived from an antiparasitic drug

    2019 Sep Intuyod et al – Anti-parasitic Drug Ivermectin Exhibits Potent Anticancer Activity Against Gemcitabine-resistant Cholangiocarcinoma In Vitro

    2018 Feb – Juarez et al – The multitargeted drug ivermectin: from an antiparasitic agent to a repositioned cancer drug

    You can see that FULL article over on MakisMD Substack here.

    Canadian Oncologist and Radiologist:
    https://makismd.substack.com/p/summer-of-died-suddenly-women-ages

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    You can see that from the Israeli MoH data. But that data was first made public in a tweet from MIT Professor Retsef Levi on March 7, 2023. It made no difference.


    1/3 Israel MOH study compares non-COV deaths of vaccinated over days 1-30 vs. 31-60 post dose 2 (Jan-Oct 21). This ignores over 600 COV deaths just post dose 1. But they still have to ‘waive’ the striking safety signal: 540 vs. 1275 deaths (1st vs. 2nd period)! What did they do?

    https://twitter.com/RetsefL/status/1633089224353120257?s=20


    New Israeli MoH study shows COVID vax increases your risk of death over time.
    https://kirschsubstack.com/p/new-israeli-moh-study-shows-covid

    Here are the two key graphs from that article. Both are day till death if you most recent shot is shot #2:




    Figure 1. The death rate 60 days out is double the death rate in the first 30 days. For a safe vaccine, all these bars should be the same height. There is no temporal HVE at all; if there was, the first bar would be the lowest bar. Data first made public by MIT Professor Retsef Levi on March 7, 2023.


    Figure 2. This is an expanded version of Fig. 1. Your risk of death after shot #2 peaks at around 100 days (3 months) after the shot. If this were a safe vaccine, all the bars on this chart would be exactly the SAME height. This is a total train wreck. There is a 9X variation here. The medical community is inept. This is a stopping signal.



    Dr. Bridle is an Associate Professor of Viral Immunology in the Department of Pathobiology at the University of Guelph. COVID Chronicles By Dr. Byram W. Bridle Science-backed information to dispel the rampant disinformation being propagated about SARS-CoV-2, COVID-19, early treatments, and the current inoculations. His research program focuses on the development of vaccines to prevent infectious diseases and treat cancers, as well as studying the body’s immune responses to viruses.

    Dr. Bonnie Mallard: https://bit.ly/3mJES5H
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    Can you provide a link because I searched the Health Canada site and found zero about that. It seems very much like misinformation.
     
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    Will you please post the comments directly from the Health Canada website that actually supports your reams and reams of BS.

    What you are posting is garbage.

    This thread is supposed to be about people’s experience with covid, not a conspiracy theory thread with garbage taken directly from an Epoch Times — a garbage source of misinformation.

    Simian virus 40 has never been found contaminating the mRNA covid-19 shots.

    mRNA covid-19 vaccines are developed using using plasmid — a small circular piece of DNA. There is a fragment of SV40 DNA in the Pfizer vaccine — it is not the simian virus 40 (the whole virus), again it is a residual DNA fragment. The fragment is inactive and is not potentially harmful. It is inert. There are small amounts of residual DNA in several vaccines — influenza and hepatitis to name two.

    https://news.yahoo.com/posts-misrepresent-health-canada-statement-191038451.html

    https://apnews.com/ap-fact-check/no...vid-vaccines-00000188e957d32da188e9ff1aef0000

    So as they say in the UK anything The Verb has posted related to this is bollocks.
     
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    A SCARY amount of people simply did as they were told without even questioning it. An even scarier amount of people, without being the least bit fazed by it, treated other people like sub-humans simply because they didn't want to wear a mask or get a jab.
     
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    What did the branch COVIDians do, might I ask? "Think for themselves"???
    hahahahahahahaha TOO FUNNY.
     
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    Yes. That and basic research. Something the anti-vaxx conspiracy theorists can't conceive of.
     
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    Doesn't seem like they're surviving...

    A co-worker of mine who has religiously gotten all jabs and boosters recently got sick ("has COVID"). Another one who I believe has also been religious about the jabs has now went home feeling like crap.

    Meanwhile, myself and another co-worker have both not gotten any jabs and have both been quite healthy since the whole COVID fear mongering started.

    I get that it's just personal experiences, but from what I have personally witnessed, the unjabbed people within my circle (and even the "only initially jabbed") seem to be doing noticeably better than the people who are religiously getting all boosters.
     
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    Congrats. You have anecdotes. Which are meaningless.
     
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    ^^^^^ This is the best response to any leftist chanting. Asking them questions about "their" positions. The 'sintax error' style responses are rather funny.
     
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    There's no such thing as a "sintax error." And I'm sorry that you guys think that only leftists are capable of critical thinking. I disagree.
     
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    :roflol: I do enjoy the comedic relief.
     
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    It's what I've seen, dude. I get that others have seen differently, and that's how anecdotes work, but I will believe what I've seen with my own eyes before believing people who deny the engineering specs of masks, the size of relevant particulate, and the associated mathematics.
     
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    ** syntax .... Sorry about the typo, typo police... ;)

    "You guys"?? I'm one person. Better bring out the "grammar police" again. ;)
     
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    This is why actual science is superior to anecdotes. It's pretty much while science exists. And if you were talking to them about the size of the particulates, then you don't know how masks work.
     
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    Translated:
    "actual science" = religious dogma
    anecdotes = what a person has actually witnessed
    "don't know how masks work" = don't believe the religious dogma
     
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    If you think that science is religious dogma, then you don't know anything about science. That's not how science works. There's a method. And, yes, anecdotes are what people have witnessed . . . and generalizing from them is inferior to using actual science. Which, again, there's a method for. Your average middle schooler can grasp this. And, no, you don't know how masks work if that's the argument you are going with. Five minutes of research could have taught you this.
     
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    This is your issue, not mine.

    Right, but you don't know what it is, since you think that religious dogma is "science".

    Which is what I already said. Good job!

    See prior translation for "actual science". (religious dogma)

    Which, again, you don't know what it is, since you mistakenly find religious dogma to be "science".

    Correct, but somehow you can't.

    Your issue, not mine.
     
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    ~ This is the most disheartening aspect of psychological manipulation. I certainly do not expect or anticipate honesty or anything "good for the people" from elected bureaucrats and political pawns. I did expect more from my fellow citizens. Very disappointed ... :blankstare:
    ~ If we lose our sense of humor we are finished.

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    COVID has been the most over-hyped and biggest fraud of the last 100 years. It’s almost as if no one in the world died of anything else from late 2019 to today.

    It was used as an excuse to impose the single greatest abuse of government power in US history. Government will be able to get away with it again too.

    If someone died with COVID, they were portrayed as dying from COVID.

    I’ve had it twice and both times it was like a very mild flu.
     

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