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Arctic sea ice loss due to global warming II

Discussion in 'Environment & Conservation' started by politicalcenter, Oct 16, 2011.

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  1. Poor Debater

    Poor Debater New Member

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    That's a good description of your attack on Trenberth.
     
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    No my link showed facts as to why this man is not credible
     
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    My point exactly: not being able to attack the science, you attack the man. It wouldn't matter if Trenberth were the worst person in the world: the Earth is still warming, and humans are still responsible. And you haven't posted a single piece of science to refute that.
     
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    No I showed how he uses junk science and plagiarizes.
     
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    Tracking how much energy is reaching us from the sun using the latest equipment is scientific however, concluding that there is missing warmth when he is in the midst of studying HOW MUCH sun energy is reaching the Earth is junk science.

    You only claim that skeptics are rejecting 'science' which is disingenuous at best.
     
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    And how is that junk science?
     
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    RPA1 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How is it not?
     
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    A private email not intended for publication hardly qualifies as science at all.
     
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    One at a time
    You will have to explain the bias to be, because it is not "obvious". Are you stating that if the climate changes, adaptation is not required?
     
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    How does Trenberth know the climate will change when he can't account for warming? It shows a mindset at the outset.

    Adaption cannot be determined until it is proven that the climate will change significantly enough to demand it and, Trenberth has no way of knowing that by his own research.

    Moreover, the type of climate change is also important. Warming is generally more beneficial to life than cooling.
     
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    I pointed out obvious problems with information provided by the paper in the link given. If you have some other issue you'd like to discuss, please provide a link.
     
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    Climate is always changing. A changing climate requires adaptation. Where is the bias?
    The word "significant" is not implied in the first sentence. You somehow added it to the meaning of the first sentence. Trenberth is studying the "what" and "why" of CC. Then, depending on the conclusions of his research, we can can plan adaptations. If his conclusions show significant CC then extreme adaptations will be necessary; if his conclusions show insignificant CC then little adaptations will be necessary.
    Has absolutely nothing to do with his quote or research.
     
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    I have now gone back to page 1, and you have not yet posted a link in this thread.
     
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    Changing climate does not always require adaptation...I believe I already addressed that issue in my last post.

    Well...if climate change isn't significant they why did you allude to adaptation in your response to my post?

    Trenberth is studying the "what" and "why" of CC. Then, depending on the conclusions of his research, we can can plan adaptations. If his conclusions show significant CC then extreme adaptations will be necessary; if his conclusions show insignificant CC then little adaptations will be necessary.
    Has absolutely nothing to do with his quote or research.[/QUOTE]

    OK...You posted this quote from Trenberth...

    That quote shows a clear bias toward warming.
     
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    I don't need to post a link, the one under discussion was already posted. I pointed out obvious flaws in Trenberth's paper that was shown on that link. I quoted passages from that link. I think you are confused.
     
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    The only bias that exists is with those convinced that innocent word carry evil meanings
     
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    If you cannot understand the meaning of "Planned adaptation to climate change requires information about what is happening and why." and do not understand why there is no bias in that statement, I give up.
    Getting you to understand climate change requires you to understand about what is happening and why. :twisted:
     
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    I answered you and you ignored it...here it is again..

    Adaption cannot be determined until it is proven that the climate will change significantly enough to demand it and, Trenberth has no way of knowing that by his own research.
     
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    Evil? What are you talking about? I don't know Trenberth's motives...if any. I am just reading that paper and finding significant bias toward global warming. He is assuming GW is taking place..His job was stated as researching how much energy is reaching us from the sun. He made the assumption that some warmth was missing but, he is in the midst of quantifying it. The argument was made that the 'missing' warmth was due to AGW. To me, that makes no sense as there is no foundation yet to make such a statement.
     
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    So somehow after reading that paper you have concluded that A+B does not only equal C but XYZ as well?



    I am now convinced that denialists could find AGW bias in the Lord's prayer
     
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    Most of the time in Earth's geological history, the average planet temperature was 25 C, not the current 15 C. So if there is a global warming, isn't it just a bounce-back? Also, if Arctic sea ice melts, don't Siberia and Canada become more habitable and economically viable? What's wrong with that? Isn't global warming a good thing?
     
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    I would say that applies more to folks who have a religious belief in AGW.

    I see, so a 'denialist' is anyone who questions the AGW dogma.
     
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    That is logical however, logic is not part of the GW, AGW, Climate Change (or whatever they are calling is now) 'consensus' purported to be science.
     
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    Okaaay

    Firstly - yes it has been warmer over many geologic periods but the fauna and flora around then were not what they are today and the same fauna and flora adapted to the climate - how much adaptation will you be able to make? Remembering of course that those figures are still AVERAGES and that some areas of the planet will reach heat wave extremes

    As for the increased habitation of areas like Siberia - nice wish list but Siberia is a SWAMP full of mozzies and methane producing bog - both of which will get a LOT worse in warmer weather (Siberia has a fair amount of deaths from Malaria even now)

    And in the meantime our current areas producing crops are going to be suffering from lack of water (reduced snow melt, increased evaporation, increased drought) alternating with floods

    Here is a link to the EPA's summation on the positives and negatives of climate change

    http://epa.gov/climatechange/effects/extreme.html
     
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    Okay, The plot is exposed in this video.

    The globalists want to enslave humanity through Climate Reform.


    [ame="http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6642758020554799808"]http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6642758020554799808[/ame]
     
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