Are the Palestinians the Jews NOT expelled from Judaea after Bar Kochba Revolt?

Bender , you've once again shown you've got reading problems :
What alexa said was :


into a land where there already was a

secondy
it was NOT the land of the "Jews" Before the invention of the "Jews " it was the land of Canaan - "" Jew and Israelite" are not synonyms. Jews are not even mentioned in the Jewish Bible. I admit I've not read the Jewish bible , but according to some learned scholars, none of the legendary men, from King David to the prophets, were called ‘the Jews’. This ethnonym appears for the first and only time in the Bible in the Persian story of the very late Book of Esther.

The term "Jew " originated after the first Jewish civil War when Judah/Judea broke away from the biblical " Kingdom of Israel" Nevertheless, its doubtful that modern day people who themslves "Jews" are really descended from Ancient Jews .
Its also said that the majority of modern day "Jews" - East Europeans are infact Yids, whose language was Yiddish.
The Ancient biblical Hebrew tribes long ago disappeard /assimilated with other nations/peoples , Canaanites/Persians/Khazars etc. including - those who became Arabized.

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No it actually shows that the "Palestinians" have Arab specific chormozones and that Ashkanazi and Sephardim are from the same genetic lineage dating back to the paleolithic Levant.

 

The Jews have had an unbroken presence in Israel for 10,000 years, the Arabs have NOT been there for 5,000 years, genetic testing proves that they have only come recently with Islamic Imperial expansions within the last 2,000 years.

 

Close, Face, Your, but not quite. Here is the reference that I posted:

[video=youtube;nPRgXAYTQlU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPRgXAYTQlU[/video]

At about 5:00 minutes Prof Oppenheim appears and says (translated): "We have found that although the Jews have been scattered all over the world for 2000 years, they still maintained genetic continuity through the ages. And another thing that also surprised us was the high proximity (of their genetic makeup) to the Arabs living in the land -- the Palestinians."
Narrator: The study with the participation of Prof Marina Fiereman and Doctor Dvora Filon proves that both the Palestinians and the Jews came from the Kurds of Babylon. And somewhat ironically it seems that Ashkenazi Jews are genetically closer to the Palestinians than (are) Middle-Eastern Jews)
Prof Oppenheim: "It's true, it's true. I mean the same chromosomes can appear in both the Ashkenazi Jews and in the Palestinians" (Narrator: And as if that weren't enough it turns out that there are Palestinians who carry the gene of the Cohens (priests)

Part 2 -- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPkLWlylISM

Prof. Oppenheim: "What's interesting is that THIS chromosome, which we see here in the middle, is called the Cohanic chromosome. But as we see here we find that (Palestinian) Arabs also carry this chromosome".
Offscreen person: "Meaning that some Palestinians are actually Cohens?"
Prof. Oppenheim (smiling): "Genetically".

 

What about Canaan?

 

This study also shows that the Palestinians have Arab specific genetic markers which both Sephardim and Ashkanazi lack. What did you mean by purer Jews?

 

Face, Your......you give me the impression that you may be well aware of Mr. Tsvi Misinai's research? If so what is your opinion of The Engagement Movement?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsvi_Misinai

 

I believe they found that some Palestinians come from the same genetic lineage of the ancient levant as the Jews but that there are Arab specific markers amongst them not found in the Sephardim or the Ashkanazi Jews.

 

Read my piece in <Jordan Is Palestine> thread!

 

Isn't the problem that the colonists (other than those called Cohen) have no particularly obvious genetic connection with the tribes who lived in Palestine long, long ago?

 

A larger problem though is that we who supposedly follow the God of Abraham have taken our religion and turned it into something useful to hit somebody else with......which is an extreme and obvious misunderstanding of what religion should be used for????!!!

If investing in turning deserts green is one positive goal that Israelis and Palestinians and Jordanians and Americans and just about everybody else could unite around......you may as well address promising natural remedies for the prevention of various diseases and longevity at the same time:

http://www.politicalforum.com/polit...-suspect-natural-cures-cancer-suppressed.html

 

Shalom Moishe3rd!

This is an exceptionally good question and especially relevant in light of the events in Boston.

I just read an article this morning that a certain Middle Eastern leader will be gone from office in about four months!


http://blogcritics.org/politics/article/khameini-condemns-boston-bombing/#comments

Khameini Condemns Boston Bombing

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Moishe3rd, based on what you have read of Islamic writings do you think that perhaps I might be onto something of potential value to suspect that this Islamic prophecy regarding three areas of the earth sinking......could in actuality have been some sort of a vision regarding the rising of the oceans???

http://www.rexresearch.com/prophist/phf5mos.htm

 

In my humble opinion, the "rising of the oceans" is irrelevant.
If the oceans rise, Man will have to deal with it, just as Man deals with all phenomena.
"Oceans rising" have no more significance than earthquakes or tsunamis or volcanoes or meteors.

 

There is a prophecy from the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), regarding deserts being turned green that I feel has potential to greatly alter the type of relationship between the western democracies with the Islamic nations.


http://www.angelfire.com/moon2/koran/index.blog?topic_id=1021110

 

Serious historians ? incl Islamic/Arab + modern historians ? -. "yet you've not quoted a single name .? where's your sources ? Hmm.


First of all, during Roman occupation was the land known as "Kingdom of Israel" and did the population refer to themselves as "Jews" ? When did they begin calling themselves "Jews" - (sic) Yehudi" ?

Now - Lets see if we can find a name how abt :Mazin B. Qumsiyeh
for starters ?

Chapter 2. People and the Land
Sharing the Land of Canaan

The land of Canaan was never "a land without a people for a people without a land" as was articulated by some early Zionists. To understand the conflict and thus begin to articulate a solution we must begin by understanding these people and their origins. The understanding of people also helps us understand their inter-connectedness, that is intentionally or unintentionally hidden which keeps us segregated and thinking tribally. The evolution of these civilizations and their relationships to each other and to outside forces reveal that many perceptions and views of this history currently expressed for political purposes simply have no basis in fact.

Understanding the history of the people and the land of Canaan is key to shaping a future of peace for all its current and displaced inhabitants. For example, a simple examination of history shows that Canaanitic groups developed the first alphabet and evolved related language from the original Western Semitic language of Old Aramaic and Syriac to the new and thriving languages of Arabic and Hebrew. This organic connection is easily forgotten and many times dismissed by those who have a stake in maintaining that there is a clash of Arabic and Hebrew cultures and civilizations.

Ancient People and Culture

Archeological evidence from the Fertile Crescent showed that around 5000-6000 BCE nomadic hunter-gatherers started to raise crops and to domesticate animals. This transition happened fairly rapidly, and once established had a dramatic impact on the human populations. The presence of a predictable food source allowed small tribes to settle down and increase their population dramatically. The increased population and human contact in turn led to the need for rules that govern human behavior and leadership; hence evolved city states. Once humans were dependent on settled land for their sustenance there was the obvious impetus to raid and acquire more land and resources to add to the city-state. Regional conflicts over resources ensued, alliances between different city-states and tribes formed, and finally larger kingdoms and empires coalesced. The Canaanitic civilization emerged as the most dominant for the Western part of the Fertile Crescent while the Sumerian dominated the East.

Canaanites of the Eastern Mediterranean region spoke Semitic languages and many people in this region still do. One must distinguish here between languages/language groups and ethnicity. English is spoken by people of varied ethnicity, many of whose descendants may have spoken other languages in the past, even languages not in the same group as English (e.g. people in the Philippines, Australia, New Zealand). English is a language belonging to the Anglo-Saxon group of languages in the same way as Arabic and Hebrew belong to Semitic groups of languages. Strictly speaking, "Semitic" is not an ethnicity but a language group and thus "Semites" merely refers to people who speak Semitic languages and not an ethnic or religious group (see Chapter 6 for discussion of "anti-Semitism").

Semitic languages included Phoenician, Aramaic, Arabic (Aramaic modified by Nabatean), Moabite Phoenician, Hebrew (modified Aramaic), Akkadian, Assyrian and Babylonian. By far, the most dominant of the early Semitic languages was Aramaic, which became the most commonly used language in that whole area during the first millennium BCE (Before the Common Era). The word Aramaic refers to Aram by tradition son of Shem (Sam) from which the Aramaic word She-maa-yaa (Semitic) is derived. The land in which Shem/Semitic people lived including current day Syria, Lebanon, Israel/Palestine, and Jordan is known traditionally as Bilad Al-Sham or the land of Shem. An inhabitant of this area is referred to in Arabic as "Shami", or hailing from Bilad Al-Sham.

A Cultural Admixture

The original proto-Aramaic language had two major dialectical descendents: Western or also referred to as Palestinian Aramaic spoken by people during Jesus’ time and Eastern or Syrian Aramaic as still spoken today by members of the Syriac Orthodox Church in Iraq and Syria.......
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(I hope you'll agree that the history of cannot lightly be summed up in a few paragraphs - so I wont post the whole article but would ask you to follow the link and let me know which part you disagree with and why )

At the end of the page you'll also find Dr.Qumsiyeh's sources .

http://qumsiyeh.org/chapter2/

 

Yes....and I just made some comments on the wall of my friend Psidre that I think you may find intriguing:

Dennis Tate: "Muchas Gracias Psidre Felix!!!!!

I have been flip flopping back and forth on this question for over a decade! On one level, it is pretty obvious that for Canada and America to actively support the rebuilding of the Jerusalem Third Temple too quickly could set off a massive war in the Middle East!

Also....I believe that Rabbi Jesus/Yehoshua was probably killed and raised from the dead on Passover 30 C. E......I base this partly on the repetition of a forty year period of time over and over and over again in the life of the Jewish people over the past 4000 years! The destruction of the Jerusalem Second Temple in 70 C. E. strongly indicates a 30 C. E. death, burial and resurrection for Rabbi Jesus/Yehoshua!?!?

A 2000 year delay in the time when Rabbi Jesus/Yehoshua is free himself to raise up his own people to a new height is indicated in Hosea!"

 

Hosea 6:2: "After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight."

Just as the sister of Moses/Moshe endured leprosy for seven days....there are occasions when our stupidity and pride will get us into trouble for a specific and significant amount of time! It is our choice to get angry at HaShem/ The G-d of Abraham/Allah and try to convince ourselves that the punishment for our error was exaggerated.....but that is a dangerous course of action to take!

Here is that prophecy apparently going all the way back to the Prophet Muhammad himself (peace be upon him) that the deserts of the Islamic nations will be turned green in the "latter days!"

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http://www.angelfire.com/moon2/koran/index.blog?topic_id=1021110

 

No.
They are not.

 

Dennis Tate: "I believe that by the year 2031, a number of Islamic nations will wish to initiate policies that will prove one way or the other that the G-d of Abraham/ HaShem/ Allah rules in the affairs of men....and has the power to give rain in due season....to any nation that will allow Jews and Noahides to travel to Jerusalem to observe the Festival of Tabernacles....and then return to their homeland unmolested......or at least protected by the laws of the land unlike has been done since the time of King Solomon!!??

......Zechariah 14:16 "And it shall come to pass, [that] every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
And it shall be, [that] whoso will not come up of [all] the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain. "

There is a positive promise in these verses as well........the nations that will allow Jews and Noahides to travel freely to Jerusalem.....WILL RECEIVE RAIN IN DUE SEASON....and thus the least expensive way to begin stabilization of the climate on a huge scale....will be to support the Jewish people in their desire to rebuild their Jerusalem Third Temple.........after 2031......but even previous to that year......we are looking at at least one, if not two seven year periods of time....in which perhaps a tent.....rather than a temple could be set up......on the Temple Mount.....so that certain important and controversial predictions could be fulfilled and gotten out of the way........

 

Psidre Felix:

Wow!!!

Yes.....those of us from other nations need to much more actively support the people in the Middle East who actually want peace......Facebook and satellite TV and YouTube are powerful tools to change attitudes in many many nations over the coming years and decades!

 

Uri, when you say this are you referring to the idea that Jewishness is not merely a genetic thing but includes respect for and at least some observance of the teachings of Moses/Moshe?

 

If an Islamic Noahide prostylite risked his or her life to travel to Jerusalem from Syria, or Egypt or Saudi Arabia....and then returned home to their land....to attempt to play their role in the initiation of a new peace movement all across the Middle East......would you tend to think that this person has taken a SIGNIFICANT step toward "Jewishness?"

 

Moshe, can you understand why people who live in New Orleans or own land along the Bay of Fundy between the Canadian provinces of Nova Scotia and New Brunswick as well as the State of Maine might tend to feel a little differently about the seriousness of the threat of rising ocean levels?

The primarily Islamic nation of the Maldives Islands will be gone if ocean levels rise by merely one meter. This Islamic nation could play a significant role in setting the stage for the rebuilding of the Jerusalem Third Temple so that the promise of rain in due season given in Zechariah chapter 14 can be put in motion????

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ing-held-highlight-impact-climate-change.html

Maldives government highlights the impact of climate change... by meeting underwaterBy Mail Foreign Service
UPDATED: 13:44 GMT, 20 October 2009

 

What , are they not ?

Care to elaborate apart from just saying "No, they're not" ?