Are You Better Off Than You Were 4 Years Ago?

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  1. Dave1mo

    Dave1mo New Member

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    Why yes, yes you are.

    Let's start with GDP, the country's total economic output. Four years ago, GDP was in freefall. For the past three years, it has been growing steadily. It's now considerably higher than it was four years ago.

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    But... the job creation rate is VASTLY better than it was four years ago. Four years ago, we were losing nearly 800,000 jobs a month. Now, we're gaining about 100,000. Our current rate of gain, moreover, is similar to the average of the growth years in the Bush administration.



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    Inflation:

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    Importantly, the deficit has ballooned in part because of a decline in tax revenue, not just an increase in spending. Tax revenue as a percent of GDP is about where it was four years ago--and far lower than in the 1990s.

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    Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/are-you-better-off-than-4-years-ago-charts-2012-9?op=1#ixzz2ApZjZVBx
     
  2. Lee S

    Lee S Moderator Staff Member Past Donor

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    Let me guess, you do not actually run a business or hire people, do you?
     
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    kenrichaed Banned

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    Let's see.

    If we are doing better now then under Bush we need to decide why?

    Oh Yea......Bush had a democratic controlled House, you know the guys that write legislation, and Obama has a republican controlled House.

    I'd say you figured out exactly what the problem is. Time to throw the democrats out!
     
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    I can't speak for everyone, but certainly I am.

    If I were voting purely on my economic success under Obama, then I would be compelled to vote for Obama.
     
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    kenrichaed Banned

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    I suppose anyone who's job deals with other people's misery, like forclosing on debt issues, would be doing extremely well under Obama. Probably if your in the Bail Bonds business or a defense lawyer would be doing very well also since they have to defend the people resorting to crime to provide food for their family.
     
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    Subdermal Banned

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    No.

    I have lost over a million dollars in net worth over Obama's time in office.
     
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    Thats too bad because I managed to become an astronaut under Obama.
     
  8. Dave1mo

    Dave1mo New Member

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    Hahahahahaha.
     
  9. CKW

    CKW Well-Known Member

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    Since I sell to businesses...no I'm not better off. Cause they aren't better off. Most of them anyway. There are a couple of business industries that do well in bad economy--namely discount and second hand stores.
     
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    Dave1mo New Member

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    Except business are sitting on record amounts of cash right now.
     
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    Nope. Not small business. And as far as corporations---they are not profiting as they would in a decent economy.

    I think unions are sitting on a bunch of cash.
     
  12. Dave1mo

    Dave1mo New Member

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    Prove either of those assertions.
     
  13. Lee S

    Lee S Moderator Staff Member Past Donor

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    Large businesses are sitting on the cash which harms small businesses. Large businesses are sitting on cash because they are on a capital and hiring strike and they will be until Obama and Obamacare are gone.
     
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    There is an incompetent, black communist imbecile running "my country". Where is the UN?
     
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    I think this graph says it all.

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    Professor Peabody Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    66% of the jobs filled in September were part time low pay, little to no benefits jobs, how is that helping?
     
  17. Dave1mo

    Dave1mo New Member

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    Now you can prove this assertion.
     
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    In January 2007, I owned my own business and two houses.

    Since then, my business failed and I got a job.

    I had to abandon my home and it was foreclosed.

    In June of this year, I lost my job and I now am back in business.

    But now I have to short sell or get a modification of my second house, which I now live in.

    Business is picking up slowly, but the only way I'm making it is because my father helps me.

    But my father is no longer the prosperous millionaire he once was, he is now poor like me. So helping me is really hard for him.

    I've heard that a lot of people with money are waiting to see who gets elected.

    If Romney gets elected, they will start constructing projects, and start new businesses and expand existing businesses.

    If Obama gets re-elected, they will continue to sit on their money.

    It's a real-life John Galt situation.
     
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    the biggest issue is foreign outsourcing, which republicans will not let Obama address

    if it wasn't for the stimulus, mom and pop businesses would really be hurting if not closing their doors about now

    problem is.. if we do not address foreign outsourcing, the stimulus, like a band-aide, will need to be reapplied

    it's not the gov that is the issue, it's the greedy corps


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  20. Dave1mo

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    Wait, so some people out there still have money? And you don't? Sounds like you're a bad businessman to me.
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    what percentage of business start-ups fail, exactly what was it Obama did that caused you "in your mind" to fail

    I had a relative clam BK in Feb 2009, also blamed it on Obama... she still to this day thinks it's his fault, like Obama could fix all her financial troubles in one month... he doesn't have a magic wand

    what happened to personal responsibility...

    so what your saying is it's the rich people's fault for not spending causing you to fail sounds like to me, proof that giving them more money will NOT make them create jobs, give those tax cuts to the bottom 90% and some will create jobs to get that money being spent

    glad to hear your Business is picking up... that is the sign were recovering...
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    Liberals are always the nastiest people when you tell them about your financial problems. They really are a nasty bunch and not at all "compassionate."

    Which makes sense, given their belief that babies should be cut up in pieces and tossed in the incinerator.
     
  23. Dave1mo

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    Compassion for those who blame the government for their own failings? Yeah right.
     
  24. CKW

    CKW Well-Known Member

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    You are mighty quick to make claims and not prove them. Is it the case where you don't have to prove squat but you expect proof from others? Is that the definition of a hypocrite?

    Your posts are opinionated to the extreme, over-blown partisan and very predictable. I would never tell you to prove anything because I know where your posts come from. Perception.
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    so that means you do not want to tell us what you think Obama did to cause your business to fail? you brought it up, you blamed our government, so would just like to hear what you think caused you to fail, if you do not want to talk about it, that's fine too

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