Armistice centenary: politicians remember but have learned nothing

Armistice centenary: May praises UK’s ‘closeness’ with Europe
German president to lay wreath at Cenotaph on Remembrance Day

Poppies in the Field of Remembrance in the grounds of Canterbury Cathedral, Kent. Photograph: Gareth Fuller/PA

"Theresa May has praised the “strength and closeness” of the UK’s relations with “our friends and partners in Europe”, as she prepares to join the German and French presidents in a series of events to mark 100 years since the end of the first world war."
Guardian 3 Nov 2018 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/nov/03/may-praises-closeness-europe-armistice-centenary​

They shall borrow not from the central bank,
As we that are left borrow from the central bank:
Austerity shall not weary them, nor fiscal conservatives condemn.
At the going down of the sun and in the morning
We will remember them.​

As we approach the 100th anniversary of the Armistice at the end of World War 1, the lesson from economic science is that countries don't need to have authoritarian governments starting wars to grow their economies and put their people to work - democratic governments can simply borrow from their own central banks to invest for growth and prosperity - and tell fiscal conservatives that we will not die for their stupidity.

Simple.

 

OP

Nothing but unadulterated and cynical opportunism to engender support for the Chequers Plan. How can any English politician sink so low as to exploit this particular occasion to give away our sovereignty?

'Once a Remainer, always a Remainer'?​

 

I'm not English (I'm Scottish) but in my opinion the biggest threat to English sovereignty is that which prevents the emergence of an English nation state to defend the sovereignty of the people of England, an English nation state whose head of state is elected by the people of England.

What is "that"? "That" is the United Kingdom, which is the same threat to the sovereignty of all the nations whose homeland is occupied by the UK and whose people are dictated to by the UK's monarchy and Her Majesty's Government, whose PM is of course Theresa May.

The EU is not constitutionally opposed to the emergence of true nation states in the British Isles; after all, there already one such - the Republic of Ireland.

One might complain that the EU has not done enough to help those nations oppressed by the United Kingdom - hasn't issued a helpful arrest warrant for the Queen, for example. However, those complaints are no reason to vote "Leave" rather than "Remain" in the EU referendum, in my opinion. One could vote "Remain" but still fight for a English republic, Scottish republic, Welsh republic and Northern Irish Republic / Irish Unification as the case may be.

 

What form will this 'fight' take?

 

All means necessary, what else?

 

For example, English political activists could ban the Queen from England, calling on the English military to enforce the ban using all means necessary.

 

What, street demos do you mean? Who TF in Westminster gives a **** about them?

 

What, you're talking about taking on the entire Establishment, elitists and political? You'll be laughed out of the country, with more than a little help from MI5. Are you tired of living or something?

 

It would depend on what the street demos were calling for.

Suppose an English street demo called for "BAN THE QUEEN", calling on the English military to enforce the ban using all means necessary - "ARMY - GET THE QUEEN OUT"!

 

Oh, what's a little ridicule?



FRIDAY, 27 JANUARY 2017
'Freedom fighter' threatened Queen - front page news
Water off a duck's back.

 

I'd conservatively guess that at least 95% of Brits are monarchists, so you'd be on a hiding to nothing. The monarchy is the glue that holds the Establishment together.

 

Well, the BBC is 95% monarchist so that explains it.

Glue / "lynch pin". The monarchy is the weak link of the United Kingdom and that's why removing the monarch is how to win, in politics, as in checkmating the king in chess.

 

I agree with much of what you say, but I'm afraid that you seriously underestimate the power of government. As the old aphorism says 'You can't beat the system.' and it's so true. Look at poor Julien Assange for example? Nobody gives a **** about him, least of all those who put him in that embassy; he can die of age in there for all they care.

 

Democracy means "government of the people, by the people, for the people" (© Abraham Lincoln).
So what I am seeking to do is to strengthen the power of democratic government, to make the democratic system stronger, fairer and better for the people.
It is mainly the monarchy and the kingdom which needs beating because that's the worst aspect of UK government. So to speak, it is about throwing the bathwater out, but keeping the baby.

The examples to quote are the countries which successfully extracted themselves from the British Empire to establish their own republics - the United States, Ireland, India etc.

 

Sorry Peter, that'll take a revolution, not some well-intentioned bloke on a messageboard. What's that saying now? Something about accepting the things I cannot change, having the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.'?

 

No need to apologise but I think you are underestimating the role of revolutionaries on message-boards (like myself) in fomenting revolution.

Oh. I thought you were the one who wanted to change English politicians giving away your sovereignty?

I think it is wise to have the courage to change from following other foolish politicians who are giving away the sovereignty of the people in a democracy to becoming a political activist or politician who is offering leadership to assert the sovereignty of the people in a democracy, by fomenting a revolution against the monarchy and the United Kingdom.

 

Except that no government on Earth is a real democracy -- or not for long -- since it cannot both be that and defend its borders and expand its economy. Democracy means Mob Rule and government is designed to limit the possibilities of true mob rule. Government protects the status quo first and then the people second.

 

No it doesn't.

 

No it doesn't. That would actually be a democratic republic . . . which is NOT the same thing.

 

Quite right. As I said only recently - with the Whipping system, we live in a dictatorship by any other name.

 

A democracy = a democratic republic
Anything much less than a nation state republic - a "mob" say, isn't "governed", by anyone.
So a mob is not a democracy - a mob is not government of the people who constitute that mob. A mob is what happens in the absence of government, of any kind.

 

For those in control, humans are a resource like any other; use it or lose it. In this, nothing has changed since the Pharaohs (and even before).
Young men are exploited for their youthful folly, and young women are used to encourage them.

 

It's wrong. Young women should be used to encourage older men like me.

 

Young women may be encouraging, but no one should be "used".