As of April 5, 2794 persons have died following Covid vaccinations.

modernpaladin · Apr 15, 2021

Patricio Da Silva said: ↑

As of April 5, some 167,000,000 doses of the Covid vaccines have been administered.
Out of that number about 2800 persons have died immediately following the Covid vaccines. This is based on data reported to the VAERS government site. (Source: CDC https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html
and https://wonder.cdc.gov/vaers.html )

In my opinion, given the self-preservation nature of the medical profession on vaccines, they are going to say that 'that deaths following a vaccine doesn't prove the vaccine caused the deaths'. There are two ways of looking at that statement. 1. as the 'truth', or 2. as 'Of course they are going to say this, for to say otherwise will scare people from not getting the vaccine, and they already have a big enough problem.'. I'm inclined to go with #2.

Still, Statistically, that is fairy small, about .00167%. Okay, let's do some 'lives saved stats'. Of that population, if they hadn't been vaxxed, 3.3 million which is 2% might have gotten Covid, and let's say 90% of those were prevented from getting the disease in a serious degree which is about 3 million. Of that number, 1% would have died, so Covid vax has saved 30,000 lives, but caused 2.8 thousand deaths. Therefore, the vaccines are saving far more lives than the deaths they are causing. If my math is wrong, enlighten me, but even with corrections, it will be a variation of this theme, eh?

But, here's the thing, 99% of those who will get covid will not die anyway, and those will not die anyway, when they get the vax,their chances of dying have now increased by .00167%.

Yes? Am I wrong?

Thing is, there is no way to know in advance who they are. But, if you have had Covid, and you have lived, you have the antibodies, and, from where I sit, it makes NO sense to get the vaccine if you have had the disease.

Here is another fact. the mRNA vaccines, the long term effects are UNKNOWN. mRNA vaccines are not like typical vaccines at all, they are nothing like them, they are totally new. There have been trials going on on mRNA vaccines for a number of years ( but not on this particular covid vax ) but trials are conducted on small groups of people and cannot predict the larger population because they exclude less than healthy people during clinical trials which they do not in the wild. This is a phenomenon called 'Healthy User Bias" ( HUB, of clinical trials, and the CDC acknowledges this fact).

Now, safety stats are fairly good for the number of vaccines administered thus far, but those are NOT long term stats. Personally, if there are long term effects, they are going to say 'no way to prove the effect was due to the vaccine'. When it comes to safety stats in vaccines, I do not trust the industry to give the truth, because they don't want the truth known because if the truth is known, people shy away from getting vaxxed, and they have a big enough problem with this, as it is. Fine, but I want the truth. Don't you?

And, here's another truth. On the VAERS gov site, reportage is voluntary, and they so state, on the site, that the numbers reported is only a small percentage of the actual numbers. so, 2,794 deaths reported is the smaller percentage of WHAT??????

FYI, I got the shot, so I'm not an 'antivaxxer', I'm just ****ing asking questions, so cut me some slack.
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If I were doing a relative risk assessment, I would want to compare the ages and pre-existing conditions of those who had a serious reaction to covid with the same variables of those who had a serious reaction to the vaccine. As it is now, I know people with my age and health level are at virtually no risk of being harmed by covid, and it sounds like a very similar virtually no risk of being harmed by the vaccine. I'm not doing that risk assessment because either of them could have as yet unforseen long term effects, and I can at least choose to not be exposed to one of them.

Patricio Da Silva · Apr 16, 2021

phoenyx said: ↑

I think you've asked some good questions. You may be interested in the following article:
Pfizer Vaccine Shows Reduced Effectiveness Against COVID Variants, Israeli Study Shows
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400 people is too small of a sample, though it's not encouraging.

Covid is going to be one tough virus to get on top of.

fmw · Apr 18, 2021

Patricio Da Silva said: ↑

As of April 5, some 167,000,000 doses of the Covid vaccines have been administered.
Out of that number about 2800 persons have died immediately following the Covid vaccines. This is based on data reported to the VAERS government site. (Source: CDC https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html
and https://wonder.cdc.gov/vaers.html )

In my opinion, given the self-preservation nature of the medical profession on vaccines, they are going to say that 'that deaths following a vaccine doesn't prove the vaccine caused the deaths'. There are two ways of looking at that statement. 1. as the 'truth', or 2. as 'Of course they are going to say this, for to say otherwise will scare people from not getting the vaccine, and they already have a big enough problem.'. I'm inclined to go with #2.

Still, Statistically, that is fairy small, about .00167%. Okay, let's do some 'lives saved stats'. Of that population, if they hadn't been vaxxed, 3.3 million which is 2% might have gotten Covid, and let's say 90% of those were prevented from getting the disease in a serious degree which is about 3 million. Of that number, 1% would have died, so Covid vax has saved 30,000 lives, but caused 2.8 thousand deaths. Therefore, the vaccines are saving far more lives than the deaths they are causing. If my math is wrong, enlighten me, but even with corrections, it will be a variation of this theme, eh?

But, here's the thing, 99% of those who will get covid will not die anyway, and those will not die anyway, when they get the vax,their chances of dying have now increased by .00167%.

Yes? Am I wrong?

Thing is, there is no way to know in advance who they are. But, if you have had Covid, and you have lived, you have the antibodies, and, from where I sit, it makes NO sense to get the vaccine if you have had the disease.

Here is another fact. the mRNA vaccines, the long term effects are UNKNOWN. mRNA vaccines are not like typical vaccines at all, they are nothing like them, they are totally new. There have been trials going on on mRNA vaccines for a number of years ( but not on this particular covid vax ) but trials are conducted on small groups of people and cannot predict the larger population because they exclude less than healthy people during clinical trials which they do not in the wild. This is a phenomenon called 'Healthy User Bias" ( HUB, of clinical trials, and the CDC acknowledges this fact).

Now, safety stats are fairly good for the number of vaccines administered thus far, but those are NOT long term stats. Personally, if there are long term effects, they are going to say 'no way to prove the effect was due to the vaccine'. When it comes to safety stats in vaccines, I do not trust the industry to give the truth, because they don't want the truth known because if the truth is known, people shy away from getting vaxxed, and they have a big enough problem with this, as it is. Fine, but I want the truth. Don't you?

And, here's another truth. On the VAERS gov site, reportage is voluntary, and they so state, on the site, that the numbers reported is only a small percentage of the actual numbers. so, 2,794 deaths reported is the smaller percentage of WHAT??????

FYI, I got the shot, so I'm not an 'antivaxxer', I'm just ****ing asking questions, so cut me some slack.
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It couldn't be more simple. They are more than 99% effective. Not 100%. This is an excellent performance metric for any vaccine.

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