Ashkenazi Jews from 350 people, maybe Khazars?

If done properly - ofc , what of it ?, if I accept another member to my tribe how does it erase me from existence? converts only prove someone converted them, they can't prove there were no Jews around before them, its stupid to even suggest it.

As a nation the Jews are linked to the Hebrews, on individual basis Im certain there are many with links to the Hebrews with the culture passing from father to son, there is no such thing as "Jewish Gene" because Judeans were a mix of many ppl already mixing with other nations around them,
The ancient expulsion and diaspora are historical facts with matching archeological evidence, you try to twist history so it will fit your politic views.

The only thing debated is whether the Jews left Judea of their own following the final great destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans or were they forced out, sold to slavery and exiled. the diaspora and the fact Jews left Judea and their continues existence as a nation ever since - are not debated.

It is and it isn't, Judeans are a nation that inveted a religion that was called after them, but they are a nation first, in fact the religion wasn't called "Judaism" throu history thou the ppl were always addressed ad "Judeans" ("Jews" in English). accepting a new member to the tribe is hard and long work but once in he is an accepted member, but you claim we are ALL converts and somewhere in history all links to the ancient ppl are lost - right ? where are the facts of that? where are the clues for something like that to ever have happen ? converts are converts they add ppl to the nation, they don't replace the nation lol

 

As I said the nation always mixed with other nation around it, thus there is no such thing as "Jewish Gene", there might as well been African Judeans and European Judeans living together in Judea back then as well.

 

There is only one Hebrew, and this Hebrew was a dead language already 2000 years ago.

What to the artificially developed language, called "Ivrit", this language was invented by a crazy Russian Zionists.
Ivrit is not the only invented language, Esperanto is another example.

Religious Jews condemned the attempts to "revive" the dead Hebrew, but after WWII Zionism became mainstream, and today Ashkenazi and other Jews have to learn an invented language if they "return" to Israel, and forget their native languages, like Yiddish, Arabic etc.

Agree, and there are different versions of Islam and Christianity, too. But what has this to do with ethnicity?

No, they do not share the same culture, and you know that.
Ethiopian and European Jews have totally different culture, they are segregated from each others in Israel, and they refuse to live in the same buildings.

And, as I have already proven with my quotes, white Jewish doctors managed to reduce the fertility of black Jewish women, and they got away with it.

If the black and white Jews were the same ethnic group, they would live in peace and harmony in Israel, but that is not the case.

What I say are obvious facts. You were unable to deny these obvious facts with your hasbara.

 

lol!!!

"Ivrit" is Hebrew, in Hebrew.

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now now, you know that's not so.

Jews have several cultures, several histories over the last 2,000 years, several languages.

 

Hebrew developed over the years like any other language and there are versions of Hebrew, you are not arguing with me but with historians, its not debatable.
Ben Yehuda revived the language and modernized it, if it was "artificial" we wouldn't be able to read the dead sea scrolls dated to -100 BC ~
so the crazy Russian did good work.

Its part of the criteria that defines an ethnic.

I know the exact opposite, I wonder how a person that doesn't even live here can claim he knows better.

Same culture, same holydays, same history, same faith, same Torah.

Its another BS from you that we don't share buildings with Ethiopians...

OK, so Ethiopian babies will disappear soon from Israel, is that your claim ? let's time it and see if you are right, who knows

No ? you saw the demonstration against police brutality and that connected all the dots for you ? well if you are right we'll see soon enough won't we ? how much time do you think will the "slaves" revolts and break free from the copper mines ?

You wouldn't know a fact if it slapped you on the face Art but you humor me

 

I'm talking about the similarities, what connects the Jews as an ethnic - which is the topic (are the Jews an ethnic? ), not the obvious differences between European and Easterners.

As an ethnic, the Jews from around the world share the same culture AS JEWS:

Same prayers, same holydays, same prayer language, Ladino and Yiddish were spoken languages originated from Hebrew, same history passed from generation to generation (like exodus, the destruction of the Temple etc'), I suggest you read about the ppl you spend so much time talking bout here.
That some drink tea with milk and others drink Goat fat with butter is not the issue, the local influence of their societies are obvious but Im not proving the similarities of East and West but the similarities of Jews communities in different part of the world, and the fact they are similar proves they are a nation - as defined by accepted social scholars.

 

No, dead or fissile languages do not develop.
Nobody knows how Hebrew sounded, because this language was dead, it was not spoken any more, it was only preserved in a written form, and only educated Rabbis could read this language.

The "revived" Ivrith is an artificial language with Slavic phonetics and a Slavic grammar, only some words and letters are borrowed from the dead Hebrew language.


Arnold J. Toynbee hit the nail on the head:

What are you talking about?

Oriental Jews had a different history, and different culture. For example, oriental Jews still practice polygamy and children marriage. Not even the Orthodox Jews have the same culture as oriental Jews.

And here is the truth:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_Israel

Here are the facts:

 

wrong. Hebrew is taught to every Jew.

one cannot practise Judaism, without being able to read Hebrew.

 

You can call an artificially created language "Ivrit", but you cannot revive a dead language, because there was no sound recording 2000 years ago, and nobody knows how Hebrew or Latin sounded.

The written languages, like Latin or Hebrew, were and will remain fissile languages.

A Roman or a Hebrew who lived 2000 years ago would not understand the Latin or Hebrew that is spoken today by some persons.

That is idiotic.
Did everybody that practised Catholicism speak Latin?
Does everybody that practises Islam speak the Arabic language?

Of course not.

The same with Judaism.

 

Once again, Ivrit of the 19th century is a development of ancient Hebrew, fact is we can read and understand ancient texts - how long back does your English go ?

Arnold lived before the revival of the Jewish nation, he wrote his lines on the Jews before Israel, in any case, you can write about the none existent Jews all you want - while we live in our Jewish country and Jerusalem as our capital. you can deny the sun and the moon while at it.

They also have different fingertips and DNA, its the similarities as Jews that makes them a nation, there is no use to count the differences, its kind of stupid even.

As you asked and I replied before, discrimination exist everywhere in every country,but not all countries have such devout followers to talke about nothing else.

No, that link doesn't say when will the African Jews become extinct from our "genocide", please estimate if you stand behind your claims, Thx.

 

The revival of the Hebrew language was a process that took place in Europe and Palestine toward the end of the 19th century and into the 20th century, through which the language's usage changed from the sacred language of Judaism to a spoken and written language used for daily life in Israel.



Revival of the Hebrew language - Wikipedia, the ...


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The revival of the Hebrew language was a process that took place in Europe and Palestine toward the end of the 19th century and into the 20th century, through which the language's usage changed from the sacred language of Judaism to a spoken and written language used for daily life in Israel.



Revival of the Hebrew language - Wikipedia, the ...


en.wikipedia.org/...Revival_of_the_Hebrew_language

 

How can you "develop" something than was dead?
You just ignore what I say and repeat your nonsense.

So what? Latin is also taught in the high schools in many European countries, and people who learn Latin can understand the written language.

But they would be unable to understand the Latin that was spoken by Romans, and Romans would not understand the Latin spoken by modern people.

The same with Hebrew. Hebrews who lived 2500 years ago would not understand "Ivrit", and no Israeli would understand the spoke Hebrew, if he could travel in time 2500 years ago.

Ivrit has a totally different grammar and phonetics, it is a Slavic language with some Hebrew words.

BTW, English has also many Latin words, but it is still a Germanic language, because of the Germanic structure of this language.

Any linguist can see that English is a Germanic language, Hebrew was a Semitic language, but "Ivrit" is a Slavic language.

BTW, Yiddish was also a Slavic language, despite the many borrowed Germanic words, it preserved the original Slavic structure.

So the European Zionists could only change their native Slavonic language, called Yiddish, via re- lexification, replacing the Germanic words with words from the fossil Hebrew, but they could not change the grammar or phonetics of their native Yiddish language, because it is impossible!!!

You cannot lift yourself, pulling your own hair!!



Can you get my drift?

English is not a fossil language, it is a living language, and living things permanently change and develop.



English is a Germanic language, the basic English vocabulary is the same as in any Germanic language, like German, Norwegian or Swedish: Land, Fish, Water, Grass, God etc - all these words stem from the old proto- Germanic language, and any German, Swede or other descendant of ancient Germanic tribes can easily learn English, because English is very similar to his native language.

"Revival" is a stupid propagandistic term, used by Zionists.

The "Jewish nation" was
invented by Zionists, not "revived".

If you try to revive a corps, you get the Monster of Frankenstein.

If you try to revive something that was dead already 2000 years ago... you get what we have in Palestine today... a never ending war and the never ending suppression of the native Semitic population of the region by European invaders and people who were forced to move to Palestine by crazy European Zionists.

BTW, do you know when Toynbee wrote his work I have quoted from?

 

Its your hatful Nazi education that's nonsense....., it was never dead if you read my posts, it was always in use in prayers and religious texts that Jews kept reading thru the years

Good, so you have another example thou Hebrew is much much older.

Like I said, we can read and understand 2000 year old texts, assuming they spoke as they wrote the differences shouldn't be greater than modern English that Middle age English - If thy catch my drift ?

The same with Hebrew. Hebrews who lived 2500 years ago would not understand "Ivrit", and no Israeli would understand the spoke Hebrew, if he could travel in time 2500 years ago.

I don't understand a word in any Slavic language, I don't know where you come up with these nonsense, Ivrit is Hebrew and I can understand Bible texts much better than every existing language, but if you are so strong on Slavic language perhaps you can tell me what words are similar in Ivrit and any Slavic language you choose , and please not "Ketchup" and "Telephone"

I eagerly wait to know what Slavic language I should know at least as much as I know Biblical Hebrew

Yiddish and Ladino are "local" languages mixed with Hebrew so it might be Slavic or whatever, its in the past.

I suggest you read about Eliezer Ben Yehuda, he didn't just stick an Hebrew word instead of a German one, a lot of his work was based on Samaritan villages that kept using a form of spoken Hebrew, he used Bible text ofc and yes some modern structure of a sentence, if the result is being able to communicate well and understanding ancient texts - he did an excellent job. Ivrit = Hebrew.

Likewise, if you fart in space you will not propeller forward but enter a never ending spin around yourself, like you are doing now

Oh , I can even smell it

If its spoken and used - its not a "fossil", if Latin was used by countries today - it wouldn't be a fossil either.

Yea........whatever man, we always were a nation and your fathers always knew that, the only thing that changed is we have a country, so I respectfully deny your Nazi rants, wallow in it till it consumes you

There are compliant boxes every 100 meters on the separation wall in the WB, kindly shove your suggestion deep inside.

The guy you quoted on Jews wrote his 1st volume with your quote in 1930's.

 

You mean that throu all the years Jews were reading the Bible but didn't understand a word they were saying ? do you have any idea how many books and scrolls and debates were written about the Bible during those years ?

Give it a rest you obviously don't know anything about Hebrew or Judaism, you Nazi books needs serious updating and some tangible facts.

 

there may not be a jewish gene but there is a lineal descent from the Israelites. thats what the whole da vinci code and holy grail is about. the masses dont realize who the bloodline of the Israelites is and instead fall into the media web of deceit, thinking that it is white europeans (themselves) who are the righteous teacher.

 

around 50% of Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews possess the J1 gene, which is most common in the Middle East. This may be proof of Israelite descent.

 

thats that COINTELPRO deception playing tricks on the mind. they want us to believe that white europeans are the lineal descendants of the Israelites. im not buying their product.

 

lol...that's quite a baseless conspiracy theory you got there.

you saying the genetic research is a fraud?

got any evidence for this?

 

what conspiracy? europeans have been whitewashing the image of jesus since the last 500 years. if anything it is you that is the conspirator and lazy academic.

 

lol..let me guess: you believe the ancient Israelites were ALL black, and the true descendants of the Israelites were black slaves brought to America, and the Black Hebrew Israelite table of nations is the truth!!!!

 

As expected, you do not attack my arguments, you just play the old and tired "Nazi-Card", projecting your own hate on your opponents and attacking them personally, instead of attacking their arguments.

The same is true with the Latin language, it was used by educated persons, but it was not spoken by the common people, and everybody knows that Latin was a dead language already in the Middle Ages.

Hebrew was a dead language already 2000 years ago!!!

Only educated Jews were able to read and understand this language, the rank and file Jews (more than 99% of the Jewish population) were illiterate, they could just repeat some prayers in Hebrew without understanding the meaning of these prayers.

BTW, the same was true for Catholics, more than 99% of Catholics did not understand Latin, they spoke different native languages and repeated prayers in Latin they did not understand.

The same with Turks and other non-Semitic ethnic groups who converted to Islam, only educated people could understand the Arabic language, 99% of the non-Semitic Muslims did not speak the Arabic language and were unable to read the Koran.

But Roman Catholics who do not speak Latin or non-Semitic Muslims who do not speak the Arabic language do not claim to be the biological descendants of Romans or Arabs, though their holy books are written in Latin or the Arabic languages.

Only Zionists have the craziness to claim that the Jews are "returning" to Israel, because their Rabbis learned and used Hebrew in their liturgy during the centuries.

Sorry, but this claim is idiotic.

Read the works of the Jewish linguist Wexler and educate yourself.

BTW, I talked to many Russians who "returned" to Israel, they confirmed that Hebrew is an easy artificial language with a Slavic structure and phonetics.

No irregular verbs or declinations, it is like the invented Esperanto, an artificial language. This language does not have any literature or poetry, unlike languages, that evolved naturally and have a rich cultural tradition.

The real name of this guy was Perlman, he was a Litvak and the native language of his wife was Russian.

He prohibited his son from playing with other children and the mother of the child was not allowed to sing Russian songs (which was her native language) to her baby.

He forces his son to speak a language that he himself invented, and no other children, not even Jewish children could understand this language!!!

Perlman had beaten his wife when she tried to sing a Russian song to his baby.

Today this crazy man who invented Ivrit and bullied his wife and his son (Ben Zion) would be imprisoned for child abuse and domestic violence.

The only friend of Ben Zion was a dog, he was not allowed to talk to other children, so Itmar had to talk to his dog!

His family was ostracised by the Jewish community because Jews used the language of Torah only in prayers.

The attempt to use this fossil language for communication was a sacrilege, according to Judaism, and Zionists were seen as crazy people by normal Jews.

Educate yourself!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itamar_Ben-Avi



And yes, it is a fact that any Jew, who "returns" to Israel, has to forget his native language and learn an invented language, which is a foreign language to him and was never a native language to any of his ancestors.

That is bizarre!!!

No, there were no villages that spoke Hebrew in the 20th century, that is a lie.

Latin is spoken in Vatican by some people, there is even a radio channel in Latin, but this language is still a fossil language, because you cannot use it in everyday life.

People who speak Esperanto can also understand Latin, because many words were derived from Latin, but Esperanto is not Latin, it is just an artificial language.

And people who speak Ladino in the Alpine regions do not speak Latin, Latin is a dead language, and so is the Hebrew.

Arnold Toynbee wrote his essays when Zionists already elaborated their plans to "return" to Palestine (speak to grab the land and expel the native Semitic population of the region), and he hit the nail on its head with his analysis of Zionist activity.

He repeated his arguments in the 50th, and he was viciously attacked by Zionists, who played the "Nazi-Card" but were unable to prove him wrong.

Zionists did everything to hide the works of this prominent intellectual and erase his name, but due to the Internet we can still read his works.

Educate yourself!

 

What ? .

 

Many argue that genetic studies on Jewish populations have refuted any claims of significant Khazar lineage, and have shown that most ethnic Jews draw their roots from the Middle East.[3] A genetic study led by Gil Atzmon found that European Jews were most closely related to Middle-Eastern Jews, Palestinians, Druze, and non-Jewish Southern Europeans - evidence inconsistent with Khazar/Slavic hypotheses.[4] Another genetic study led by Doron Behar found that, despite admixture from local populations, autosomal genetic samples from the Ashkenazi Jews, Caucasian Jews, Middle Eastern Jews, North African Jews, and Sephardi Jews form a relatively tight genetic cluster which overlaps with Samaritans and Israeli Druze which is strongly indicative of common Levantine ancestry.[5]

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Khazar_myth

Admixture with local populations, including Khazars and Slavs, may have occurred subsequently during the 1000 year (2nd millennium) history of the European Jews. Based on analysis of Y chromosomal polymorphisms, Hammer estimated that the rate might have been as high as 0.5% per generation or 12.5% cumulatively (a figure derived from Motulsky), although this calculation might have underestimated the influx of European Y chromosomes during the initial formation of European Jewry.15 Notably, up to 50% of Ashkenazi Jewish Y chromosomal haplogroups (E3b, G, J1, and Q) are of Middle Eastern origin,15 whereas the other prevalent haplogroups (J2, R1a1, R1b) may be representative of the early European admixture.20 The 7.5% prevalence of the R1a1 haplogroup among Ashkenazi Jews has been interpreted as a possible marker for Slavic or Khazar admixture because this haplogroup is very common among Ukrainians (where it was thought to have originated), Russians, and Serbs, as well as among Central Asian populations, although the admixture may have occurred with Ukrainians, Poles, or Russians, rather than Khazars.12,35 In support of the ancestry observations reported in the current study, the major distinguishing feature between Ashkenazi and Middle Eastern Jewish Y chromosomes was the absence of European haplogroups in Middle Eastern Jewish populations.37 Four founder mitochondrial haplogroups of Middle Eastern origins comprise approximately 40% of the Ashkenazi Jewish genetic pool, whereas the remainder is comprised of other haplogroups, many of European origin and supporting the degree of admixture observed in the current study.13 Evidence for founder females of Middle Eastern origin has been observed in other Jewish populations based on nonoverlapping mitochondrial haplotypes with coalescence times >2000 years.14

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3032072/

 

What other line can there be but those who carry on the tradition? sure some are converts but we are talking about a nation on grand scale, those lost in time are irrelevant - only those that carry on are what important.

 

I attacked your "arguments" plenty, when you made any. most of your "arguments" are idiotic drivel about things you are ignorant about or some hyperbole "THE JEWS ARE BREATHING ALL OUR AIR!!!! " I wouldn't call them arguments, its more Nazi BS for the lame.

It was still used to read the Bible and its a pretty big book with lots of stories, so if you can read and understand it - its not "dead"....

You know 99% were illiterate how exactly ? which page in "mein kampf" ???? yea its that evidence stage again......

If they read it in Hebreew at the synagogue - its not "dead", dead means "not used" ,if its is used = not dead.

Farting in space again ?

OK

I suppose you can prove that too ?

Well Jews read in Hebrew regardless of their country, that's how European Bibles are in Hebrew and Eastern Bibles are in Hebrew, true there are in other languages as well but the fact there are any at all in Hebrew proves it was used,

See you can provide proof of differences all you like but one evidence of resemblance - where there shouldn't be if the two are not related - refutes your claims, ill give a chance to understand by yourself - why.

Don't be, I don't value your claims very highly either, Zionists don't make claims based on Language alone or religion alone, its the entire "set" together that separates them form other nations and defines them as a nation on their own, Im not trying to persuade you just explaining how the real world works, why are Jews regarded as a nation in the world.

You ignorance on Jews and Israel is not an achievement to mimic.

lol, equal to what language ? what words are similar to Hebrew words ?

lol, you crack me up man

The first poetry in the western world is in Hebrew there are books of poetry in Hebrew at least 2000 years ago, you really don't know what you are talking about.

Ill ask the same question for the 3rd time, if modern Hebrew is a Slavic language how can I read and understand ancient Hebrew but not a word in Russian ?

If he has Jewish ancestors that Hebrew was their language, and its the formal language in Israel so its not weird at all .....

We are not talking about the 20th century but much much older time, and the Bible text is still in Hebrew which they had to read while praying, and yes, they understood what the words meant....

Everyday life in the modern era !, that's the difference between ancient Hebrew and Modern, some new words and modern structure, English also chanced throu the years but its still considered English and Hebrew is still Hebrew even if it was modernized.

Arabs cant understand Hebrew and neither any Slavic speaking language, but Modern Hebrew speakers can and do understand ancient Hebrew, that's the only prove there is that its basically the same language, I don't care when it was modernized...

Its an official accepted language so I don't know how much you can spin this, Hebrew is not dead...

I just proved him and you wrong in 3 posts already, the Jewish nation exists - otherwise there wouldn't be an Israel, and the Hebrew language exists - the entire world accepts it, except for a few "controversial" experts only Nazis appear to mention .