Asymptomatic spreaders

I think it is clear to all, even Trump sycophants, that spreaders, are like IED bombs. Noone knows where they are planted. The reason why noone knows, is down to one thing. Trump spurned the WHO tests. Now, to cover that up, he is looking for the head on a platter, of the WHO leader. In addition, to not accepting the WHO tests, for AMERICA FIRST reasons, he failed to secure tests in this country as well. He has denied that the federal gov should be involved, down to even encouragement of companies, to invest. He left those decisions up to the free market.

So, we were hamstrung. In addition, he wanted to PROVE the free market by making the vaccine, when found, subject to WHATEVER they can get per dose. This would cut out many of the unemployed from access.

We have asymptomatic carriers, which are not tested, and still are not tested, even though Trump and Pense have made promises countless times, about a certain number of tests, by a specific date. Trump said anyone that wanted a test, can get a test. And yet even health care workers cant get tested, WITH symptoms.

And so, instead of quarantining the infected, and tracing contacts, which has been shown as the only logical way forward, sans vaccine, we have lockdown. Lockdown, or cowering in place, is DUE TO NO TESTING.

And yet Trump decries DEMOCRATS, that order lockdown. When HE, is responsible for the chaos. He even invigorates protest, really riots, given they are blocking first responders. He is causing unrest, against the orders HE CAUSED.

The economy required us to spend 2 trillion, and likely multiples of that, ON our children's bill, DUE TO HIS choices. ONE MAN.

And yet, he takes NO RESPONSIBILITY AT ALL.

HE claims he can decree that any and all states will comply with his order to start business as normal, or any portion thereof. And still, will not involve himself in securing testing.

He convenes groups of businessmen, that haven't even signed on, to pressure opening business, and they tell him, until testing, NO GO. And STILL, he will not involve himself in securing testing.

ALL of this is down to ideology, dogma and cognitive dissonance. Republicans act like world class socialists, and yet they cant do the right thing by logic, cuz it will send the wrong right wing message.

We have to die, for the right wing message. Our children have to die, for the right wing message. Our economy has to be destroyed, for the right wing message. Our children have to pay off trillions, for the right wing message.

I have heard countless times, Trump defenders, say testing wouldn't save one life. That is right wing dogma, untrue, and why all this is happening. And yet, it persists.

The right wing is fomenting revolution, based upon hating all that followed, DUE TO TRUMP's action and choices, and TRUMP says he backs them, and that they LIKE HIM.

This is destroying our country, and it is all down to protecting right wing dogma. And this is EXACTLY what many of us Democrats said would happen, as soon as Trump was installed.

And STILL, no significant testing, particularly not to find those ASYMPTOMATIC carriers. Every one of us has to risk KILLING our loved ones, DUE TO this right wing dogma.

ALL of this is down to right wing dogma, and protecting it. ALL the restrictions, due to ONE MAN's choices. And yet, the right wingers are saying Trump did a great job. HE ruined any foresight, by disbanding groups meant to monitor, and now he is blaming the WHO, to cover his actions from scrutiny.

NOONE is allowed to say the truth. TRUMP is responsible for there NOT being near adequate testing. EVEN for first responders, and those thought infested. No testing even of the dead, to know how many died of the virus.

We all know the motivation, as we heard straight from the horses mouth, I don't want that ship to dock, as it will drive up the numbers, and I like the numbers NOT GOING UP.

WE will pay in lives, for right wing dogma, and protecting that dogma from scrutiny.

 

Maybe your post is exaggerating a little bit, but there is truth to it.

RW dogma is: Everyone is in it for themselves. The government can't tell anyone what or what not to do. If the individual wants to go about their normal business, becoming a superspreader, the government can't tell them not to.

RW dogma is: Social Darwinism, i.e. survival of the fittest. Who cares if 10,000s people die, especially if they are old, infirm, sick, i.e. a burden on society. Money in the pocket and GDP growth trumps everything else.

RW dogma is: For the above two reasons, anything that challenges this dogma is not allowed and must be fought at ANY cost. Anything that promotes this dogma must be promoted and defended at ANY cost. That's why Trump fans are so emotionally attached to their leader, because they think he promotes RW dogma.

 

If people are practicing social distancing and hand washing (and probably mask wearing), then the asymptomatic people aren't spreading it to anyone. Isn't that exactly WHY we're taking those measures.

 

The WHO is a joke. They have no tests.

 

Why do you lie for Trump?

Here is why, another right winger said this: Forcing companies to produce is not the way. They'll do it under the right market incentives.

 

I would agree, but people are NOT doing those things. Apparently there will be a protest against a mayor for mandating mask wearing in public! (I got that info on another thread - so can't verify myself.)

 

The asymptomatic spreader could be your mother, your child, your spouse.

 

Lock yourself up for five or six years, dip your food in hand sanitizer, double up two masks in your house, have contact with no other humans, and you will probably be ok, maybe.
Most of the rest of us will follow the infection trendline, use common sense, and we will be fine, maybe.
Life is dangerous.

 

So, you have no problem with Trump ruining any realistic testing scenario?

And instead use ludicrous copping of attitudes?

 

Dr Oz says, without testing, we can get all our kids back to school, and ONLY lose 2 to 3 % to DEATH. Never mind that they will spread it to grandma. Dr Phil, comes to Trumps rescue as well, saying car crashes, and other highly construed causes of death never stopped us from ignoring them before.

Trump is enlisting shills, and charlatans, to sell his killer prescription.

 

Given it is impossible to test every human in the country, your dream is shattered so if you want to fully protect yourself, follow the advice already given.

 

Again, with copped attitudes? We don't have to test EVERY person, but, we SHOULD test every person AT LEAST, that shows symptoms. And those they were in contact with. AND, those dead, should be tested. And, those around the vulnerable should be tested. AND, those in the food chain, should be tested. AND, those in healthcare should be tested. And, those caring for the old folks in group homes, should be tested. And the data gleaned from all this testing, should be assembled into into useful conclusions. USING MATHS.

 

So did Germany and nearly every other developed nation.

How are you going to convince people with no symptoms to test? If they don’t want to, you can’t really force anyone to do anything.

There is a hospital a few miles away from me. That hospital has tents for people to come and get tested. Your claim is a lie.

No, lockdown is a means to prevent spreading. Whether you have tests or not, you do quarantine. Your logic failed here.

Yes, Democrat governors started to kill the economy. The consequences are entirely with them.

Or we could have gone about our business and let those who will die next flu season of flu to die of WiFlu.
See, spending $2T isn’t really required.

One man? Congress has over 400 people.

He tried back in January. At that time liberals claimed he is trying to get everyone’s attention off this virus in favor of impeachment. Or is your memory so short? How many called him a racist bigot for restricting travel to China, even though almost immediately most of the European nations did the same?

He can claim anything he wants. He can’t issue a stay at home decree (something that you cried about) and he can’t force governors to overturn their decrees. He can only use federal funding to influence their decisions.
You can’t blame Trump for not locking down the whole nation and at the same time cry whenTrump claims he has absolute power to force governors to stop stay at home orders.

If you are sick no testing will help you as there is no cure.
If you are a law abiding citizen then regardless of whether you tested positive or not, you follow your governors orders.
And even if you are sick - I’m sorry, but if I need to go get myself some food - I’ll go and get myself some food, even if I have Coronavirus. You know, hunger has 100% mortality rate while this WuFlu is around 1% of known cases.

As I mentioned - there is a tent just a few miles from my home. If I wanted to, I could go there any time and get tested. I don’t do that because I don’t care.
Now, I’d be interested in another test - antibody test. My theory is that millions are spreading Coronavirus and this suspicion can be proven/refuted with mass antibody tests.

Stop your lies, he didn’t disband anything.

How is he responsible?

What lives?
Did you read in another thread about a group of homeless being tested and having 50% positives yet all asymptomatic? Do you know why WuFlu is peaking? It’s not because of quarantine - it’s because of heard immunity. That means we are approaching 50% of the population mark that built up tolerance to the virus by carrying it as asymptomatic carriers. That homeless sample could be very representative of true spread of the virus.

This thread is just another “Trump Bad” thread.

 

I don’t know what crap hole you live in, but testing is available in my area.

 

Well since by your own admission there are those that have the virus and show no symptoms and they are as dangerous as those that are hospitalized, your argument is specious. Understand it is impossible to test every person that is in any industry. You would literally have to test every person every day for years before they enter the workforce. We do not even need to mention all those entering and leaving the workforce daily or even those that leave the workplace for a minute or two and return.
As a young ER surely you see how this will never happen so I think you are a candidate to follow my advice given a few posts back.
Good luck to you.

 

Yes, could be but as long as everyone else and that person are taking the basic precautions, it won't spread further than that. If my spouse or son gets it, I'm going to be exposed, that's just the way it is. So again, the hand washing, sanitizing, distancing is protecting most (probably except for those who live in the household) from getting it.

 

While a touch of paranoia would serve well in reducing spread, what would you recommend? Separate families, enclose each member in a separate room, to be harmed if they step out?

 

Trump has been warning us for years that China poses problems to the US and wanted to stop travel between the 2 nations after we realized the danger coming from them during this crisis. The Left branded him a hater for doing so, until everyone realized that just makes good sense.

 

Use a test town, and test everyone within, and then you can develop SOME sense of how many there are. It is called statistics.

 

Not if we had a place for them to chill for 14 days.

 

All but 430000 Chinese were prevented from visiting here during the ?BAN? And noone said, don't stop them coming without precautions. They said, that is not NEAR enough caution. Trump thinks bans a magic, even ones with 430000 loopholes. And I have been warning about China for years, and do you know what right wingers say? NOTHING. As they hadn't been instructed what to think. They have infiltrated our critical infrastructures. They have hacked our institutions. We have allowed them to OWN portions of mfg for even our weapons. And our medical supplies etc. But right wingers said NOTHING. Wouldn't even hazard a comment.

 

As the Germans began several weeks ago, and as we are following suit on a very small level, blood tests for antibodies is the way to go.

My bet is that if done on a wide scale, what will emerge is that many people have the antibodies. The virus has spread far wider than we had thought, and that the vast majority of people get over it, with immunity.

 

We have concentrated our testing on ONLY those showing symptoms, we have absolutely no idea of how many are asymptomatic CARRIERS OF THE VIRUS spreading it to others!!!

 

If someone is following the basic suggestions like hand washing, masks, social distancing, there is no spreading.

 

Heartland hotspots: A sudden rise in coronavirus cases is hitting rural states without stay-at-home orders

Washington (CNN)The test results came back on Easter Sunday. Tammy had been feeling "kind of crappy" when she went to her doctor in rural southeastern Oklahoma last week. A sign of possible pneumonia prompted her to get a coronavirus test later that day at the McCurtain County Health Department in Idabel.

When it came back positive, Tammy, who spoke on the condition that CNN not use her last name to protect her privacy, had already quarantined herself. Isolated, she decided to write her governor, Kevin Stitt, the first-term Republican and one of just 8 governors in the US to resist issuing a statewide stay-at-home-order. Tammy had voted for Stitt but she didn't agree with his decision.

Her message to him was simple: "Shut this mess down."

... https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/17/politics/republican-governors-stay-at-home-coronavirus/index.html

Sad,

so sad.