Australia donates $7billion to help Europe bailout

Look I have provided enough.

PROVIDE evidence where it says this Economy would have been better off without Rudd stimulus.

 

You're discrediting the CIA. ahhahaha

What a tosser

EDIT: Why would I post the ALP website,Unlike you I like to make my own mind up by lookin at FACTS unlike you who makes things up

 

Be back soon...

 

Yes, And does that make your insults any less desperate?

Yes, Abbott was not opposition leaded. Do you really need that to be shown to you?

So, now you say Liberal had no plan, when you parroted the cutting of expenditure as their plan. attribute as you wish, it is obvious that you know only what you are told.

Do I? Whatever rocks you boat.

lol...Hypocracy? I criticize you, because of your blind faith that Rudd can do no wrong.

No, read it closer.

Your assumption, not mine. the fact that these deaths could have been avoided, is my claim, and was also shown by the fact that the member responsible stated to him.

Oh I know he is, but you surely are not. It is you who claims that criticizing Government is a slimy, grease ball thing to do.

LOL...of coarse I question the Governments economic stance as does every other person. And yes they would be remiss if they did not. I do not blindly follow, such as yourseld, who is desperate?

What you have post does not substantiate your claim of being the BEST or STRONGEST or even the GREATEST. from your articale

Or is it what Swan stated

but hey best of all [/quote]Christopher acknowledges the higher dollar will continue to impact the market – especially on tourism, which is connected to the residential market – but says the current environment is a bit beyond this report.[/quote]
all from your http://www.smartcompany.com.au/prop...ut-residential-property-still-a-weakness.html

Again, no provide evidence that support your claims

Your too late, I already assume you are making things up and am also assuming that you do not have the informations to back yourself

Oh, ok SO what you are saying is that everybody should follow blindly or they are wrong? So fair I have not seen any that you have any clue about what the government is doing and what is happening in your own economy. You assume that everybody is wrong because you can not see the bigger picture.

Shown, not to say what you think it states. Also does not support you claims of support of anything. LOL... So far you credibility is drowning in the very manner of Gillard.

 

You provided nothing.

Did I say that? No. it is you who claims I did. As it is all accademic at this point. But hey show me where I stated that I will be the first to, admitt fault, unlike yourself.

 

LOL... who have I discredited... the CIA web site or you? think about it.

Apparently not, seeing as how it is you who proclaim that it is a slimy and grease ball thing to criticize the government. But hey, I did not say the ALP, I said the GOVERNMENT.

 

Well, I will not be, possibly tomorrow or the next, as I do have some important things I need to address. So I will give you time to source Blogs and things to support your stance. then you may build some credibility.

 

You've discredit the CIA website. If you don't believe a website that compile stats and facts on every country then who do you believe? It just shows you have no credibility towards your claims and shows how desperate you ARE

 

SORRY? So my claims of growing economy is inconclusive? I've provided TWO websites to show we are growing and have done since 09(Where we started).

You're a deluded fool.

 

You said
"Australia on the other hand have blown 22 billion dollars with no return, and is continuing to borrow millions everyday, they are taxing the people more and more to regain a level playing field. once all is returned to normal Australia will be Billions in debt with a government TAXING the crap out it's population trying to make interest payments. Thank the Australian mining sector for the fact Australia is still economically on the map."

AGAIN you compulsive liar

Show me proof of this all happening
Show me proof the 22b was wasted

 

Again you show nothing to support your previous claims, Compulsive liar. Leave the forum we dont need liars.

The CIA shows we are growing,best performing economy over 09 and continual growth.BUT OUT OF DESPERATION you ignore these which shows you are a deluded idiot.

 

Again, Who have I discreditied? But just to lay this to rest. perhaps if you actually linked the page rather than the home page, you may have something to complain about. but no. you have nothing.

 

No that is not what you claimed. let us see what you did claim

When pressed you provide nothing that supports your statements, yet you claim I discredit them? No, you really are the victim aren't you?

So again, please provide the evidence that supports your statements, Or would you now like to restate that you made a mistake?

LOL... so far you are only showing your own deceit

 

Yes, I did.

LOL... read back, this shows more to your integrity and credibility.

Well let me see from a site you proclaim already to be good

http://www.smartcompany.com.au/retail/government-stimulus-handouts-will-be-saved-not-spent.html

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/769846/stimulus-handouts-like-free-beers-joyce
oh and that all or nothing stimulus you claimed as being the difference

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2009-02-19/stimulus-handouts-better-spent-on-infrastructure/301204
Just imagine, apparently you can not.

What about the most incompetent

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/opinion/labors-decay-is-settling-in/story-e6frfhqf-1226338336361

http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/4037252.html

http://theconversation.edu.au/labor...-workers-but-it-might-be-with-the-greens-6734

And the list goes on

How about some of the failure. just check this one
http://www.electionnow.com.au/?cat=6

what else do you want?

perhaps now you can supply something of substance that backs your claims, Some how I think we will only be left with your rhetoric, and desperation to attempt to hold incompetence.

Oh also some lite reading for you to get a clue as to why the stimulus was a waste
http://freefrombroke.com/why-economic-stimulus-handouts-are-bad-it-kills-innovation/

 

You are well aware of the rules of the forum? perhaps you should acquaint yourself with them. The problem you have is that all your rhetoric is unfounded and with no support. Please provide evidence of your claims

provide the quote you claim is there. actually just provide the link to the page. However, while China has had greater growth figures over the 2008 until now, logic states you are wrong. all you have done is provide a link to the home page. come on show us you evidence that supports you claim.

Just to show I am not just to discredit you, perhaps you should read
http://news.smh.com.au/breaking-new...will-effect-australia-rba-20111214-1ou4z.html
http://www.smh.com.au/business/aust...-economic-crisis-treasury-20120531-1zk38.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrTPH8VsGTA
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204026804577097590543746870.html
http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/255789/20111125/rba-euro-crisis-australia-reasons-worry.htm

Apparently you are wrong about that as well....lol

 

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/as.html

Then click Economy and read.



The only way you can satisfy everyone on this forum on what you claim(The stimulus was a waste)
IS TO SHOW THE ECONOMY DID NOT GROW WHEN IT WAS HANDED OUT.

So I ask you please show me the evidence it was wasted? Because I see assumption, no graphs,statitics,sample sizes of polls,IMF,OECD,credit rating websites etc...so the only thing you posted was hear say. You just wasted two hours gathering nothing but hear say, although I only read like 2 of them I realised how desperate you were and stopped.


http://www.treasurer.gov.au/Display...15.htm&pageID=012&min=wms&Year=2009&doctype=4

Then scroll to "OECD Report"



Why would I need to supply more then one link when you have provided several and have shown no clear and convincing evidence about what you said to be remotely true.


I'm not wrong about anything.

And the failures lol IF only you were half decent I would show all the contradictions including the latest one but you're not worth it. A person who ridicules someone personal appereance is a slimeball in my book.

 

Wow you guys have been going hammer and tongs.

About the bank bail outs, Garry i stand corrected, you are right the biggest US banks were suppose to pay back the money BUT the US tax payer still lost some monies.

About Rudd injecting the $45 billion into the economy and also guaranteeing mortgages i still think he did the right think.

 

And you proclaim the mining sector had very little to no impact.

LOL...from your own link. Oh that is right, you claim that the stimulus included the government spending on commodities, didn't you?

Straw man argument
First, I never said ' the stimulus was wasted' I stated the 'handouts was was wasted along with other parts of the package'. to assume that this proves your case is simply trylng to weasel out of your previous claims.

Excuse me straw man? do you know what a survey is? I think you may find it is a POLE and If you had actually read the link you would find your statistics. You do also state that Smart company is hearsay? but that is the site that you proclaim supports your stance.

just to reiterate

just because you do not like what it states

You provide, Swan's opinion as your own and claim it to support your statements? LOL

because obviously you have no idea what you are talking about. Now you claim that Swan's own opinion states so. The fact that China out preformed Australia is missed on you, isn't it?

LOL.. apparently that is your mantra, Rudd is great, the ALP is wonderful, and yet just look up failings of the ALP in australia and what do you get About 23,100,000, but hey of course you are not wrong in your eyes, because you ignore everything that does not agree wiith you as do your all great ALP.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA...you poor thing, contradictions. please tell us what contradictions could you come up with when 'grocery watch' and 'petrol watch' never really got off the ground? Simply wasted money.

No you can not even support your own claims, let alone have the credibility to show anything. let us recap 'THE BEST PREFORMING ECONOMY' 'NOBODY SHOULD QUESTION THE GOVERNMENT' 'ALP CAN DO NO WRONG' all unproven. You can not comprehend what is put in front of you and if it not what you like, it is crap and hearsay. Oh that is your right and never wrong. People who question, not only their government buy you, are slimy scumbags, that should just about sum you up.

Can I ask, did you think this was your own blog site? Did you think that nobody should respond to your straw man rantings?

 

yes, apparently.

Yes, the US government will have to repay and some money will be lost, a small percentage still to be determind. But the US banks exploited a loop hole in the system and repayed their debt with their bad debts. The was an accounting trick that saw the banks to be able to claim they repaid their debt extremely fast. Thus, supposedly providing confidence in their banking system. However, over much of the time the banks will still need to repay the debt they palmed off as their stimulus package actually does not work like their financial sector they will have to make up the short fall from the bad debts at a later date. A point missed on our friend here.

The problem is not the injection, it is what it was injected on and the way it was used. If Rudd had followed previous governments to stimulate the country, Australia would actually be in far better position than they are NOW.

Politicians are lazy these days and do not worry about the importance of what they are really doing. Stimulus spending was at least half as dear as it should have been with the packages handed out. With better management and cut in the waste, far more projects could have been created which could have made Australia far better off. Just to be fair, Howard also is to blame to a degree as he continued to ignore infrustructure, but that is for another time.

 

A Survey?? We have a population of 21million(?) So I assume the survey sample size was in the millions? Show me evidence to support the sample size was sufficient enough to provide claims to what that article says.Show me anything to suggest what you said with credible evidence.

So again you have provided nothing but constant lies.


And you said I have a ALP IS RIGHT,GOVERNMENT CAN DO NO WRONG mantra is constant rubbish. I believe in what they did was correct yet you cannot provide any evidence to what you said shows how desperate you are.

SHOW ME SOME SORT OF PROOF THAT THE ECONOMY DID NOT GROW WHEN THE STIMULUS CAME INTO PLACE

Oh you cant??????

And you're now trying to give me stuff over mining sector? I said several times the mining sector helped this country during the GFC but it did not help it as much as the stimulus during the GFC. Get it? Again show me evidence that the mining sector did more for the people in this economy then the stimulus package.



How many times do you have to play the desperate card?

 

17.2million household deemed food insecure(Highest level on record) but they bail out the banks?? Shows how much of a drop kick you are.

Difference between our government the US,is our government care about its citizen.
So what did I miss again? Oh I see while the banks get bail outs, the poorer get poorer,jobs are lost and homeless situation is at a all time record.

Now if they had of bailed out the Citizens the economy would be in a much better place. Look at our economy.

You can show something to support this claim or is this another sham?

 

So, you wish to try and discredit the survey posted on the site? You wish to discredit the article? Oh wait a minute, that is right, it is the corrupt media, isn't it? You can not trust what they say , can you?

Just goes to show when they say something you like everything is great and you attempt to use them as a credible source...

but when you do not like them, they are corrupt

I have provided plenty, you simply think that whatever verbal manure you spout is sufficients to repute it. Sorry to say, you wrong.

Show me where I said this. you can not can you? So far your claims are all simply YOUR rhetoric and mostly proven wrong,,, So much for the old line

What was you big thing... No, you did not say 'it did not help it as much as the stimulus during the GFC.' you said

which according to YOUR source stated

No. again you are trying to change your story to agree with the evidence

LOL... Who is the desperate one here? The one who can only reply with their own rhetoric and insults?

 

evidence of your claims would go a long way to giving you some credibility at this stage. Simple to say though, your claim they only bailed the banks goes to show how little you really know the subject you are proclaiming to be the almighty knowledge of.

I see, by giving the money to the people, as you proclaim they did is caring for the people? tell me how long is a family of 4 going to stay alive on $950 without a job? oh sure, they will get the dole, but who is going to pay for their mortgage when they get the sack? yeah real caring.

Yes the entire US stimulus package and over half the Australian package was missed on you. Just in case you wondered, these packages were designed in both countries to help keep jobs. I am sure you do understand that.

yes, jobless and eventually broke. would have been great for them eh?

I have given you plenty which obviously you can not find anything to refute... it is your turn to back your claims. So far, nothing but your obvious incorrect rhetoric. I have even given you a leading article to show why your claims of giving the funds to the people is wrong (which you have not read) and still stupidly claim it is the best way.


Come on, provide evidence of ALL your claims, as your credibility is slipping into the pit of the ALP

Oh, make sure you give Gillard credit for the current interest drops and not let the flagging economy have anything to do with it.

 

Sorry for the late reply, on holiday.

You said
"No. again you are trying to change your story to agree with the evidence"

It was read out in parliament that not every state is going and the states with the mining boom are growing,So Yes the evidence does suggest I'm right and you're very very very wrong.

There is a difference between stating something from the OECD and a conducting a WEBSITE poll you tosser, the difference is a well researched and quote universal known site to a little site where the sample size WOULD have to be in the millions.

"I see, by giving the money to the people, as you proclaim they did is caring for the people? tell me how long is a family of 4 going to stay alive on $950 without a job? oh sure, they will get the dole, but who is going to pay for their mortgage when they get the sack? yeah real caring."

Sorry, You miss the point. Let's use your example of no job but 950 to spend, They spend which increases demands which increases services. But for some reason you think that bailing out the Banks(Majority of it was,And it's on record that they PUMP AND DUMPED as well) so they can loan again is better. Explain why? Why take a loan if the unemployment is extraordinary high,Business being closed down by the 100s,People losing their houses in the millions,Been pumped and dumped on the stock market by the banks and so on..

 

You might be able to deceive yourself, but a lot of other people can see that the stimulus would have been far better spent on infrastructure.