Australia should welcome Islam

Muslims countries and people have innovated some of the worlds greatest inventions, which includes the basis for making certain innovation possible. The Middle East was the epicentre of all world development and the introduction of the commercial world as we know it.
Rather than Australia getting all tangled up in innuendo, hysteria and stories embellished by those whose brains are wired with uncontrollable fear at first experience through sight or sound, we need to maintain the big picture of certain values these groups of people bring and celebrate that contribution that is lost in this hysteria. There are many hysterical perceptions out there as we have probably seen through "certain threads", which get in the road of reality.

I think it's time for us to share the positive stories and raise the misconceptions as a consequence of the fear wired brains that cloud reality and race off trying to conjure up negative thoughts in the hope that someone or something will save them from their own fear. Their fear certainly won't, it has them wedged in a world of doom and gloom.

I'd like to hear stories of prominent Muslim figures in Australian society and from around the world. I'd like to read on further, Islam's major contributions to our world as a whole. I know the Australian Afghan Cameleers played a huge part in early expeditions within Australia's interior.

I'd ask that posters ignore the negative comments that come through, there is a thread for them to spread their vile. I'd like to discuss this issue and find out how specifically you feel about Muslims in Australia and obviously how that looks internationally.

 

It's the nutters we need to worry about. Coming from the State with both the first mosque and the oldest continually used mosque in Australia it seems to me that it's been okay for a long time. We need to understand the religion and disregard the fanatics.

 

The nutters have already raised their heads again. Instead of them reading the Quran and educating themselves about Islam. They want Muslims to educate them about Islam.

This kind of stupidity is like someone seeing a thief burgle their home, and then allowing the thief to explain that he is not guilty

Australia should welcome a religion (Islam& Muslims) that condones child sexual abuse; discrimination against women; advocates the killing of gay individuals, and the barbaric halal slaughter of innocent animals.

Is this thread some kind of sick joke?

 

Allow this filthy, antiquated Islamic religion into your country, and you are guaranteed to create a second religious dark age through sharia law.

This is exactly how Catholicism created the first religious dark age, and no one is paying any attention to the mistakes of history.

The Catholic church and its fanatical followers also pretended they were the innocent ones being victimised and discriminated against, until they become to powerful and influential to stop.

 

So do you believe that Muhammad screwed a 9 year old girl?

 

Yes. Its has been documented. Islam is a perverted & twisted religion based on peadophilia.


Aisha bint Abu Bakr[edit]
Aisha was the daughter of Muhammad's close friend Abu Bakr. She was initially betrothed to Jubayr ibn Mut'im, a Muslim whose father, though pagan, was friendly to the Muslims. When Khawlah bint Hakim suggested that Muhammad marry Aisha after the death of Muhammad's first wife (Khadija), the previous agreement regarding marriage of Aisha with ibn Mut'im was put aside by common consent.[13] Aisha was six or seven years old when betrothed to Muhammad.

[13][17][18] Traditional sources state that she stayed in her parents' home until the age of nine when the marriage was consummated with Muhammad, then 53, in Medina,[18] [19][20][21] with the single exception of al-Tabari, who records that she was ten.[17] Both Aisha and Sawda, his two wives, were given apartments adjoined to the Al-Masjid al-Nabawi mosque.[22]

Aisha was extremely scholarly and inquisitive. Her contribution to the spread of Muhammad's message was extraordinary, and she served the Muslim community for 44 years after his death.[23] She is also known for narrating 2210 hadith,[24] not just on matters related to Muhammad's private life, but also on topics such inheritance, pilgrimage, eschatology, among other subjects.[25] She was highly regarded for her intellect and knowledge in various fields, including poetry and medicine, which received plenty of praise by early luminaries, such as the historian Al-Zuhri and her student Urwa ibn al-Zubayr.[25]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad's_wives

 

Some people believe in a world, where different cultures and religions can coexist, even in one country.
I do, but agree it is hard work.
As a young man I was visiting then Bombay, and was astounded by the peaceful coexistence of all kind of religious groups and cultures.
I did work, and opened my eyes.
Reading the last post we are back to square one.
As long people hate others (either for their believe, culture, color of skin or else), we cannot win.
The world has no chance of a peaceful future. Very sad that is.....
Regards

 

"I think it's time for us to share the positive stories and raise the misconceptions as a consequence of the fear wired brains that cloud reality and race off trying to conjure up negative thoughts in the hope that someone or something will save them from their own fear. Their fear certainly won't, it has them wedged in a world of doom and gloom."

I calculate that's the end of reason in Australia

 

That's simple reasoning that correlates with the obvious. If every Muslim was like what is posted in certain threads there would be utter mayhem across the planet including in Australia. There is a large enough population to make a massive catastrophic impact on the world. Why hasn't it happened? Because the propaganda simply isn't true.

 

Yes, while ever people allow others such as government to divide and conquer us we will always have division. People can coexist easily with differences, it will just take the differently wired with fear people, deciding not to listen to their pub mates and allowing their brains to move behind one dimensional thinking as far as I'm concerned M2. Our notable Muslims are many in Australia who have done nothing but contribute to our nation in a positive way. Stereotyping does not require any brains, it is the domain of those with low IQ's To be honest, as far as I see it. Can be lovely people but can't discuss anything complex with them unfortunately.

 

all immigrants are welcome, as long as they respect diversity and seperation of church and state.

The West, are mostly secular societies, we believe in womens' rights, Gay rights, religious freedom.

if folks cant handle that, stay out of The West.

 

So you are not interested in the pros and cons, you just want to hear the things that you agree with and make you happy. But anyway, please tell us why a persons religion has anything to do with anything? Why don't you want to discuss all great things that Christians have done?

 

You don't get it, you just don't get it....
Regards

 

Agree totally. You'd think that those attracted to the west are seeking certain freedoms. Muslims escaping their own countries are looking for this very thing!

 

I think those of us who grew up in western liberal democracies understand simply by immersion the effect of Christianity in building such democracies. That's when Christianity is in a good mood of course. There have been plenty of occasions when it went nutso. Take, for example, the case of Hypatia. And there have been plenty more occasions when Christianity was used to justify some terrible actions. Our western societies improved after the Enlightenment when the grip of the Church was loosened.

I don't know much about Islam but I'm pretty sure it's not incompatible with the idea of liberal democracy. Its adherents in non-Muslim nations probably understand that secular societies put religion in the private basket and try to limit its influence in society (except for those God-botherers in the parliaments who really need a kick in the arse). Islam will not take over, that's a silly argument.

 

Why would Muslims want to flee a Muslim paradise and live with infidels?

 

AM, I know you are just freshly back online but sure you will understand shortly.

 

Is this a double entendre?

 

Our secularism was our saving grace. Still be in dark ages if it was up to religion.

 

We all have education about the European Dark Ages, and the horrific circumstances the majority of people were forced to live under. We also know that the Dark Age was a direct result of religious intervention - especially Catholicism. The Catholic Church in Rome wanted prestige; wealth and power. It got this by supplanting the religions and laws of other countries with their own, and got religious dominance over foreign Kings and Queens. They supplanted all the native religions by pretending they were the victims of persecution and discrimination. Once they has enough power and influence over the Kings and Queens, they implemented their own religious laws.

It took humanity nearly Fifteen Centuries to finally break free of constrained Catholic religious laws and dominance to gain independence and freedom.

Islam is trying the same thing again. Its trying to create a second religious Dark Age, by forcing people into religious laws - not common laws.

Every time Islam/Muslims enter a country, they immediately employ and adopt sharia law, which is their religious law governing the Islamic faith

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharia

When Muslims are questioned or confronted about their Islamic religious ideology, they immediately “flick-the-switch” into becoming the victims of persecution and discrimination - just like the Catholic priests did during their 5th century infiltration. They "flick-the-switch" and always avoid answering the question.

Its just so frightening to watch history repeating itself, and everyone seems to be asleep at the wheel.

Please tell me how is allowing a religion like Islam and a group of people that follow Islam - Muslims, who condone child sexual abuse through child marriage; discrimination against women; advocate the killing of gay individuals and the barbaric halal slaughter of innocent animals into a country a good thing?

Why would anyone allow this perverted and twisted religion, and these people who believe in this religion into a civilised country?

 

Just some Renown Australian Muslims: renown for what?

Mona Shindy

Ahmed Fahour

Bachar Houli

Waleed Aly

Adem Yze

Nazeem Hussain

Ed Husic

Khoder Nasser

John IIhan

Hazam El Mazri

 

Because some western governments play God and with the help of their weapon industry and some strange/invented reasons bomb the hell out of those Muslim countries, Iraq eg.
Regards

 

That is very interesting. Were you not telling everyone that refugees from Middle eastern countries were fleeing these countries and coming to Australia, because they were in FEAR of being persecuted; tortured and murdered?

So, now you are saying its because of the bombs? Better get your story straight, as you sound like a confused fat kid in a lolly store with $20.

 

Yep the Cold War played out exactly that way. People and forces were used to destroy their own countries and fight battles inadvertently for each of the super powers. It was one big divide and conquer party. The sad thing is, it is all playing out once again but with Islam the baddie. People are much more wiser to this today but obviously some people just haven't linked events.

 

Ameer Ali
Anne Aly
Aziza Abdel-Halim
Bachar Houli
Billy Dib
Fawad Ahmed
Hanifa Deen
Jamal Rifi
Houssam Abiad
Jihad Dib
Leila Abukar
Mark Bin Bakar
Mehreen Faruqi
Mohammed El-leissy
Noor Dean
Rafat Hussain
Randa Abdel-Fattah
Rashid Mahazi
Riaz Hassan
Sedat Sir
Usman Khawaja
Safwan Khalil
Selma Cook
Aidan Sezer
Shaoquett Moselmane
Adem Yze
Adam Saad
Irfan Yusuf
Amin Saikal
Osamah Sami