Australia suffers most extreme warming

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  1. garry17

    garry17 Well-Known Member

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    Again the dishonesty is showing with this subject. pointing to regional climatic conditions at one specific time and proclaiming the as evidence of MANMADE GLOBAL WARMING then stating that other regional climatic conditions are NOT indicative of anything as they do not agree with the religious fervour. So bad that now when something occurs out of the normal such as volcanic activity, meteor showers and simply cyclone activity which has not been of any record event, the AGW crowd want to blame man, which I might also say includes themselves.

    As already pointed out, AVERAGE GLOBAL TEMPERATURE has not risen significantly as people want to pretend by pointing to regional weather for some time. So the pretence of proclaiming one thing as something then ignoring others because they do not agree is dishonest. The fact that GLOBAL AVERAGE TEMPERATURE has been relatively stable while emissions of CO2 and other greenhouse gases by man have continued to increase would suggest that there is a flaw in the faith of manmade global warming. Could that flaw be the lack of evidence of a correlation???

    But while governments can use it to gouge its people for hard earned funds (because they seem so inept) people will always be led by the nose…
     
  2. Bowerbird

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    Don't confuse bad journalism with good science

    ONE good year for ice does not mean global warming is over and it is CHERRY PICKED data - that is where you pick ONE good year and ignore the rest. So let us really look at what is truly happening

    IF we looked at this chart and just click on this year without thinking things through we might think global warming has stopped
    http://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/charctic-interactive-sea-ice-graph/
    But click on previous years at the side of the chart and add them in and you will see that although some ice has returned the extent is less than previous years

    Soooo - again the source is wrong and is lying by omission

    As for the site titled "Globalresearch.ca" it is no more "global" than L&P's slogan "World famous in New Zealand". It is a conspiracy site with more paranoia than citations
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Chossudovsky

    It also has a LOT of straw men - things attributed to other authorities which are not actually correct. Let us just look at the most obvious lie
    THIS is the chart from your site

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    Note the arrow pointing to the upper line - and the comment below
    which re-enforces the impression that the IPCC predicted a rise on 1 degree per decade now the reality is….

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    You can see where the coloured lines which clearly show there is a degree of uncertainty (hence the term confidence intervals) and the IPCC explanation of this is

    http://www.ipcc.ch/publications_and_data/ar4/wg1/en/spmsspm-projections-of.html


    Oh! and Sucks to be WA - looks even more high temps
    http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-01-16/australian-heatwaves-getting-hotter-and-longer/5202272
     
  3. Bowerbird

    Bowerbird Well-Known Member

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    Hasn't it??

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  4. garry17

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    Isn't it funny that many would continue to post pretty pictures to support their claims. I note the last post of pretty pictures did not include the actual observations and how that 95% supposed certainty of the IPCC has been demonstrated as false and REPORTED by the IPCC themselves as being wrong while they change their predictions agian.
     
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    I post pictures so the hard of thinking can keep up. Pardon please my erroneous conclusion came from analysing the content of posts presented by denialists. I am happy to debate at a greater depth as long as we focus on ONE aspect of climate change at a time.
     
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    As stated previous the pretty pictures do not (I repeat do not) support ANY CLAIMS. As stated, I noted that the previous pretty pictures did not include actual observations as the IPCC themselves have admitted were wrong. IT was cherry picking to believe they said something of which they did not. Considering they are simply graphs of models.

    The problem with debating the climate is that it includes ALL aspects, not just one at a time, such as the regional claims being supportive of global climate, unless it is against the religious fervour... I have been down this road before with AGW proponents and find it is a completely disingenuous fabrication that they will address one point at a time.
     
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    Mind you - there is a big difference (in case you did not notice) between a picture and a graph - perhaps since that was problematic a static one will suffice

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    All national level studies of every nation doing them are almost identical to the CDIAC data.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    Temperature grahs covering barely 40 years are meaningless. As has been pointed out numerous times, when you chart temperature over a more meaningfull geological time period the trend has been down. The recent tiny, short term rise is nothing compared to far greater natural rises and falls over the last few thousand years.
     
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    Really? Post your proof
     
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    Yeap,
    there are some people here, that would even deny that the Holocaust has happened.
    Not helpful.....
    regards
     
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    So you know better than Professor Emeritus of Geology Don Easterbrook?

    Sure, the ice extent is less than before but it has always waxed and waned. You need only look back 100 years to see the present reduced artic ice is nothing special. More importantly the agw priests told us the ice was going to be gone altogether by now! Another wrongfull prediction!
     
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    The only graphs that matter and are the most accurate and unbiased are the CDIAC Graphs.

    The FACTS are at the beginning of the Industrial Revolution at the beginning of the 20th Century...from that point on 800,000 years of Climate and CO2 and CH$ data as well as Global Temps. held steady and were cyclical in nature due to periods of colder and warmer climate temps. due to the Earths wobble of orbit around the Sun as because do to this wobble we periodically and PREDICTABLY experience Ice Ages and Warming Trends.

    Currently and for the past 100 years or so we are in a period of runaway Global Warming and currently have the Highest Levels of CO2 and CH4 in our Atmosphere in over 800,000 years and such a warm up is NOT part of the normal cyclical Earth to Sun orbital wobble period.

    The worse part is temps. continue to rise due to an ever increasing rate of CO2, CH4 being released into our Atmosphere not seen in over 800,000 years and thus this increases temps, which increase water evaporation thus increasing the amount of Water Vapor in our atmosphere thus increasing temps. even more thus increasing Polar and Greenland Ice Melt which in turn decreases the Salinity levels in our ocean.

    When a tipping point is crossed where there exists too much fresh water in the ocean....the Heat Exchange Ocean Current System stalls such as the North Atlantic Current which is responsible for conveying WARM WATER NORTH and COLD WATER SOUTH as this is why the U.K. has much warmer Winters than say New England which is even lower in Latitude than the U.K.

    If this current and others like it stall because of too much fresh water....in a period of LESS THAN A DECADE....an ICE AGE WILL OCCUR!!!

    This has happened in the past.... during Solar Warming Trends which helped melt this Polar Ice but it has NEVER happened in a period where the suns cyclical orbital wobble did not bring us closer to the sun as we are NOT at such a close point right now.

    There are only TWO WAYS such a thing can occur in a non-close Earth to Sun Orbital State.

    #1. Massive Volcanic Activity causing massive amounts of CO2 to be ejected into Earth's Atmosphere.

    #2...Man Made CO2 Emissions.

    Since Volcanic Activity holds steady....it's door number 2!

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    Nooo, I am saying that there are are lot of rebuttals out there by people who do know more than Easterbrook to show that his "paper" is rubbish. He is also the person that keeps predicting that we are heading for Global Cooling because, according to him, we are about to enter into a solar minima http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Easterbrook - this he has predicted despite an obvious lack on his part, of a degree in solar physics. He is a known paid shill for the now discredited and debunked Heartland institute.

    But that does not matter - his misrepresentation of the data is so blatant that even I, a nurse, can spot it a mile off.
     
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    Hmmmm - yes some blogger on the net is more correct

    and they have done the same thing as Easterbrook - misrepresented the IPCC predictions and built a straw man

    C3 is an anonymous blogger at that - but even that anonymity has not stopped him from being caught out in a blatant cherry picking lie

    http://thesnufkin.blogspot.com.au/2011/03/how-to-cook-data-set.html

    and this lie
    http://clearscience.wordpress.com/2010/11/26/questions-for-c3-headlines/
     
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    As Wold Wide Temps. increase more and more Water evaporates into the Atmosphere as at the beginning of the 20th Century Water Vapor levels stayed constant between 1.5% and 2.5%...right now it is consistently year after year at 5% and rising.

    More water in the atmosphere means more destructive storms and this also means changing Air Currents thus in some areas of the world you might see more or less rain depending on such air current changes.

    Right now we are seeing more storms and rain and snow fall in the Northern Middle east and Europe and Australia is getting even less rain then usual.

    AboveAlpha
     
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    It is the age old problem of a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing.
     
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    Aaaahh ah aha har har har har!!!! My source should be discounted because it is just a blogger and you use two more bloggers to prove it!! I say my blogger is better than your blogger, so there!!

    Once again you do not dispute the data, you just shoot the messanger straight up.
     
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    You obviously did not even read it - Bowerbird's link shredded the data
     
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    Yes, Easterbrook has dared to refute the agw religion, HE MUST BE CRUSHED!!!! You didn't read that report did you, because if you had you would have seen that Easterbrook actually predicts a continued slow warming, just not as much as the ipcc has predicted and for different reasons than the ipcc's reasons. Unlike the ipcc, his predictions include cooling periods as well as warming periods and he has been spot on.
     
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    Less rain and more high temps

    http://www.abc.net.au/science/articles/2013/08/15/3826303.htm
     
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    Do you want me to list the academic refutations?? I can dig them out if you want

    Again the point is that the misrepresentation, straw man building and cherry picking are so obvious anyone can see it - and he has not been "spot on" except for those who have been sucked in by the idea that he might be right .

    Even if he is now contending we will see slow warming rather than cooling - then he is contradicting himself

    But in all honesty - here are more lies found by the internet bloggers - and unlike "climate gate" or the "hockey stick" these are all DIFFERENT lies that he has been caught out in - tally so far is around half a dozen

    http://hot-topic.co.nz/whose-lie-is-it-anyway-easterbrook-caught-red-handed/

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    Tell me - is that more reliable than the IPCC??
     
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    Bower...where I reside in Massachusetts we have always had crazy weather but I have NEVER seen anything like the weather we have been having over the last 10 years.

    A few years ago we had a Halloween Snow Storm that dumped a few feet of Heavy Snow and because the Autumn Color Changed Leaves were still on the trees this heavy snow caused many trees to snap from the snows weight and we lost power for 10 days.

    Now about a week ago we experienced what is known as an ARCTIC VORTEX where Arctic Air swirls down and we were experiencing EXTREME COLD. Now we are used to such things but not for weeks on end and every day it was like ZERO F. out and with 30 to 60 Mile per hour winds such temps can get down to a -30 to -60 Degrees below zero wind chill.

    Two years ago we also had multiple Tornado's...one of which touched down in my back yard.

    To live in Massachusetts which is a beautiful area of the world with 4 seasons and very HOT summers and very Snowy and cold winters as we are a hearty bunch and I have been to Aussie Land and tried to explain to some there that to me a very hot Aussie Day was like a reprieve as we often have multiple 97 to 103 degree days with 99% humidity here which makes it seem like it's 130 degrees F. out as this is on the Heat Index scale as the more Humidity the easier Heat is transferred to the Human body...so as my Aussie buddies were looking at me in the Dry Heat down there I was saying....MAN!! It's NICE OUT!!! LOL!!!

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    Unfortunately with the heat has come the bush fires

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/?WT.svl=abcNavNews
     

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