Australia whats up with this?

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by Small Town Guy, Nov 21, 2013.

  1. Wizard From Oz

    Wizard From Oz Banned at Members Request

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    In Australia we also have the right to challenge a law before it is enacted. We have an identical system to your Supreme Court and works exactly the same way. And if you dont mind me saying, was the greatest invention the USA ever gave to the world
     
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    Although not directed at me I would offer the following. Two things came from the new gun laws. Bryant would never pass the background check, and even if he did pass, the limits on weapons would mean his ability to cause harm are greatly reduced
     
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    How so if there is and always has been a black market for guns and ammo...I mean given what I have posted previously about where guns are coming from in Australia?
     
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    It is one thing to have a black market and another to access it if you do not have criminal connections
     
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    In Bryant's specific case he would have not been even close to being smart enough to go that route. He is barely a functioning human being, he has a recorded IQ of 66
     
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    The "it" that I have figured out is that you have yet to raise a valid point or address mine.

    Dodge much?
     
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    I've seen brain fried druggies still get their fix so I think maybe you underestimate. Just my humble opinion.
     
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    what is to stop him from going to the black market? answer, not a damned thing
     
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    How does someone not have access to a criminal enterprise? That's like saying I don't have access to food.
     
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    what part of this did you NOT get?
     
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    What part of post 301 did you not get
     
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    you have to go to your government (Oz) to get the many blessings of privileges. Since that government bestowed them upon you, they have the power to take them away.
    It is the opposite over here. The government has to show just cause to remove them. But according to our law, they cannot remove Rights, singularly or collectively without going to court. We hold our Rights, not the government
    OZ"s people do not hold Rights, they collectively enjoy privileges.
     
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    Evidence other than your own opinion


    Our rights were bestowed on us at the creation of our Constitution

    Only according to you - Try developing your argument rather than preach what you think another country's government works like
     
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    It's interesting that this looks at numbers of incidents only, and not per capita information... conveniently ignoring the fact that Australia's population was about 18.5 million in 1997 (http://www.aifs.gov.au/institute/pubs/briefing10.pdf), and is now 120% of that (currently around 23.3 million).

    It's also interesting that your link doesn't provide any sources for the information.
     
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    So is there any truth to the report or are you going off topic again?
     
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    Are you asking whether it's true that crime grows as population grows?
     
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    I thought I asked in plain language....If need be I'll ask again Is there any truth to the reports in the link I provided or are you just going off topic? OH and are you an aussie?
     
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    Another article bothers me aussies. Is there any truth and do you have proof?
    http://www.worldpublicunion.org/201...n-gun-ban-resulted-in-higher-crime-rates.html
    The increase in the volume of negative information regarding the gun control initiatives in Australia has got to be sobering to anyone who believes regulating guns in that manner has any effect....eh?
     
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    Since it is from "free republic" probably not - on a scale of 1-5 for conspiracy sites it rates around 4.8

    Those pictures LOOK like they came from the AIC but when you google image them - you find out that they originally seem to have come from pro-gun sites - and do you know WHY I know they are not from the AIC???

    Because the data is not collected under "rape" under our statutes - you are charged with "sexual assault" and that is what the data shows

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    The above pic IS from the AIC

    This pic is from "free republic"

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    Since when have we become YOUR slaves - if you want to test the "truth" of something do it yourself - simple enough the AIC is our central register of crimes

    But since I am on that site at the moment

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    What worries me is the way people get so easily sucked into internet lies and do not seem to have the ability to discriminate between bull(*)(*)(*)(*) and research
     
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    You know...that's exactly how I feel about people who comment on America LOL
     
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    ((((((((((((((sigh))))))))))))))))

    I know - you probably feel the same way about me using MotherJones as a resource but I do try to focus on academic sources

    CDC
    FBI
    Harvard University
    American Academy of Paediatrics (oops sorry American - make that Pediatrics)

    ETC etc etc

    Where I do use sites like Mojo I always make sure that there is a degree at least of journalistic integrity - that they have referenced where they got their data or at the very least have used figures consistent with what is in the official sites

    Unfortunately gun sites on the internet share a great deal with climate denialist sites and pro-lifers. There is an awful lot of misleading (*)(*)(*)(*) out there. If you ever do want assistance with working out how to read research results I will happily give some pointers
     
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    I want to see the links to these alleged combination sites.
     
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    Yup I and many others feel the same way!!!



    Unfortunately anti-gun sites on the internet share a great deal in common with the global warming truthers and pro-abortion proponents. There is an awful lot of misleading (*)(*)(*)(*) out there. If you ever do want assistance with working out how to read research results I will happily give some pointers. Here is an example of one

    http://www.melbourneinstitute.com/downloads/working_paper_series/wp2008n17.pdf

    Which you seem to ignore consistently. >>>>>Sigh<<<<<<
    I guess using sites contradicting your opinion for Australia where actual science is used...well ummm makes your opinion of the US irrelevant...eh?
     

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