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  1. Flanders

    Flanders Well-Known Member

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    Jerome R. Corsi’s article details the mechanics of dealing with the NARA (National Archives and Records Administration). It’s fascinating stuff for everyone who is curious about where the investigation is at today:

    The question is: How many laws were broken, if any, in connection to the missing records? I doubt if anyone who is alive today will live long enough to get the answer.

    Everyone assumes that Hussein was born on August 4, 1961 because that is what they were told by a forged birth certificate. Since the Cold Case Posse is looking into where he was born, logically, the date of his birth must also be suspect. Had he been born weeks before August 4 there is a possibility Hussein’s mother came home by steamship? I do not know if the investigators looked into it? If not, there can’t be more than a handful of ships that fit the time line.

    The real problem is: Freighters arriving from foreign countries docked in numerous ports on the Atlantic seaboard —— assuming she came home via the Atlantic Ocean. If she came home across the Pacific then logically Hawaii is the first port of call; although the few major seaports on the Pacific coast are a possibility.

    The Atlantic Ocean scenario means she could have returned to the mainland by freighter rather than by passenger ship then flew to Hawaii on a domestic flight. Note that American freighters carried 12 passengers in those days; more than 12 required a ship’s doctor. I’m not sure how it was with foreign flag vessels. Still, the number of ships involved can’t be so high the task would be impossible.

    This is what caught my attention:


    Immigration records missing for week of Obama's birth
    Arpaio's team probing possibility president born abroad
    by JEROME R. CORSI

    http://www.wnd.com/2012/03/immigration-records-missing-for-week-of-obamas-birth/

    Irrespective of missing NARA records the investigators should backup one step. In short: Dunham had to get documentation for her baby from a US Embassy in Africa in order to even board a plane or a ship. Those records are controlled by the State Department; ergo, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. Lots of luck there.

    Finally, Hussein is an American citizen because his mother was American. If he is confident that that fact alone makes him eligible for the presidency why is there so much secrecy surrounding so much of his life?
     
  2. BullsLawDan

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    Please explain to me how the birth certificate is "forged", when the Hawaiian Department of Health, the party in charge of making and keeping that record, has certified on numerous occasions that it is not.

    I don't even need evidence at this point - just try to give me a plausible scenario whereby that would happen.
     
  3. SFJEFF

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    Barack Obama is a citizen because he was born in the U.S.

    I have no clue what secrecy that you think surrounds his life. I know pretty much step by step, year by year, exactly what he was doing. I certainly know far more about his life than I knew about George Bush's or Bill Clinton's.
     
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    This is a foolish diversion. Give it up.
     
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    There is no plausible scenario.
     
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    Clinton, Bush and Obama are all Kenyans at heart. :)
     
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    Corsi has no credibility.

     
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    I agree with that.
     
  9. Flanders

    Flanders Well-Known Member

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    To Jason Bourne: Shame on you for pulling that crap.

    Incidentally, I read the e-mail notification where BullsLawDan responded to you; praising Joseph Farah’s honesty. He subsequently deleted the message as you can see. I have to wonder if he still thinks Farah is incredibly honest after he deleted his reply with this terse comment “wrong topic.”


    Joseph Farah says he may sue Esquire for ‘parody’ story on Jerome Corsi book
    By Chris Moody - The Daily Caller

    An article on Esquire magazine’s website, claiming that the publisher of Jerome Corsi’s new book about President Obama’s birth certificate is pulling it from bookstores, may have been written as a parody, but not everyone is laughing.

    The Esquire story, written by Mark Warren, spread across the Internet moments after being posted on the magazine’s website Wednesday morning. Esquire has said it was a joke and Warren told TheDC he has no regrets about posting it.

    “He is an execrable piece of (*)(*)(*)(*),” Warren said of Corsi.

    Joseph Farah, editor and chief executive officer of World Net Daily Books, which published Corsi’s work, said he never spoke to the magazine and that the book is “selling briskly.”

    “I have never spoken to anyone from Esquire. Never uttered these words or anything remotely resembling them to anyone. It is a complete fabrication,” Farah told The Daily Caller. “The book is selling briskly. I am 100 percent behind it. This has all the earmarkings of a White House dirty trick – but, of course, only the Nixon administration was capable of dirty tricks like that, according to our watchdog media.”

    Corsi’s book, titled, “Where’s the Birth Certificate? The Case that Barack Obama is not Eligible to be President,” hit stores this week. The book claims to contain evidence that Obama was not born in the United States. (The president was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961.)

    The story claimed that WND Books would refund anyone who pre-ordered the book and had no plans to release a revised version since President Obama unveiled his birth certificate last month.

    http://dailycaller.com/2011/05/18/j...squire-for-parody-story-on-jerome-corsi-book/
     
  10. BullsLawDan

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    So, just keeping score here... The fact that Farah and Corsi refuse to retract a book which is now inexorably filled with misinformation makes them, in your estimation, more honorable and trustworthy?
     
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    LOLOL funny stuff.

    First they claim he was born in Nairobi, Tanzania .. then that he was born in Mombasa, Zanzibar.
     
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    You should pprobably start by looking at a map..


    And then you might want to look at airports in both Mombasa and Nairobi in 1961..

    Then look at flying times.. It would have been a four day trip from Kenya to Hawaii in 1961... probably with a plane change in London ... another in NY and still another in California.

    Ann Dunham would NOT have been allowed to fly from Hawaii during the last trimester of her pregnancy.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/current-events/240643-trump-says-corsi-liar.html
     
  13. Flanders

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    So Jerome Corsi and Joseph Farah are the bad guy? How about the media? If it turns out that Hussein is the fraud many believe him to be our wonderful journalists will forever be seen as the government stooges they really are. So far, that’s the only plus Hussein has going for him.

    No dictator ever controlled the press more effectively than when it willing does the government’s dirty work. The most sickening aspect about our press barons and media mouths is that they see themselves as having the same kind of courage it takes for journalists to put their lives on the line publishing in countries where there is no constitutionally guarantied “free press.”


    As to Corsi. He was incorrect about one thing only:

    He should have said it’s clear FOX is moving FURTHER to the left.

    Anyway, the following article in two parts nails the media including website Townhall.com; a site I often quoted. Part two includes 2 interesting videos:


    Media blackout on Obama eligibility near-total
    Despite vast public interest, 'mainstream' and 'conservative' press AWOL
    Published: 7 hours ago

    Even though almost half of registered voters tell pollsters they are not convinced Barack Obama’s birth certificate is authentic – and even though the first official U.S. law enforcement investigation into the matter established “probable cause” that the document released with great fanfare by the White House last April is a computer-generated forgery – a virtual media blackout remains in effect on the most controversial story of the Obama presidency.

    Even when one of several bombshell findings of Arizona Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s six-month investigation into Obama’s constitutional eligibility was rated last week by Internet ranking service Alexa.com as one of the most-read news stories in the entire world – due almost entirely to coverage by WND and the Drudge Report – not only the establishment press, but most of the “conservative” media as well, looked the other way. For example:

    ∙ Shortly after Arpaio’s March 1 press conference, a popular column discussing Obama’s eligibility to serve as president was published on Townhall.com – which bills itself as the “leading conservative and political opinion website” – but then, the column inexplicably disappeared from the site.​

    Titled “Sheriff Joe Exposes Forgery of Obama’s Selective Service Registration,” by Floyd and Mary Beth Brown of the Western Center For Journalism, it had been Townhall’s eighth-most-read and most-emailed column that day. Then suddenly it was gone – and WND’s requests for comment failed to elicit any explanation from Townhall.

    ∙ Then last week, another regular Townhall columnist, Diana West, wrote “Why the Silence About Obama’s Historic Scam?” but found that it wasn’t posted on Townhall at all. Worse, it was déjà vu for West, whose previous column on the same topic likewise was also spiked.​

    When WND asked West why her last two columns on the subject of Obama’s eligibility weren’t posted on Townhall, she responded: “This week’s empty hole where my column on media silence on Sheriff Arpaio’s press conference would normally go, like last month’s empty hole where my column on the Atlanta court proceeding on eligibility would normally go, speak for themselves.”

    West’s column cited the “hard, sharp facts that might poke through my discussion of what is surely the biggest scandal to emerge around the seemingly dodgy docs Barack Obama is using to verify his identity.”

    She also noted the “logic- and history-defying news and political blackout of the March 1 press conference called in Maricopa County, Ariz., by Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s Cold Case Posse.”

    West’s challenge to readers was simple: “I ask you: Have you read in your local paper about the technical evidence that led the posse’s three retired criminal investigators and two attorneys to conclude that the birth certificate image White House officials uploaded at the White House website on April 27, 2011, did not originate in a paper format, but rather was created (forged) as an electronic file on a computer?

    “Have you seen on network or cable news the video clip (one of six posse videos at YouTube) re-creating exactly how an additional fraud might have been committed to forge the president’s Selective Service registration card? Heard even conservative talk radio discussing the posse’s discovery that immigration files in the National Archives recording overseas arrivals into Hawaii are missing from the week of Obama’s 1961 birthday? Or about the retired mailman’s affidavit attesting that the mother of ex-Weather Underground terrorist Bill Ayers enthusiastically told him that she helped with “foreign student” Barack Obama’s education?”

    West also found it highly revealing that, while “watching the posse’s press conference online, I heard lead investigator Michael Zullo explain that the 1961 Hawaiian newspaper listings of Barack Obama’s birth confirm nothing because the posse ‘can prove beyond a doubt’ that these newspapers announced arrivals of foreign babies as well as native-born. Zullo also announced the posse had ‘documented evidence of two adopted individuals who were breathing three years prior’ and were similarly listed as newborn infants. Heard anything about that?”

    ∙ Last week, a top Breitbart.com editor said he believed “there’s no evidence” to support allegations questioning Obama’s eligibility as president, adding, “It’s a waste of resources, and it’s a waste of time.”​

    What about Fox News?

    ∙ When it was announced that talk radio powerhouse “Mancow” Muller would be featured in two one-hour Fox TV specials called “Mancow TV Worldwide,” the radio host specifically requested that WND senior reporter Jerome Corsi be his first guest. Corsi, a two-time No. 1 New York Times bestselling author and Harvard Ph.D., was set to discuss Iran and Israel, as well as globalism.​

    When Fox was setting up the time for Corsi to be interviewed on Muller’s debut show, he was specifically prohibited by the show’s producers from discussing anything to do with the constitutional eligibility questions still plaguing Obama.

    Corsi has been the nation’s leading investigative journalist on the Obama eligibility issue and is the author of the New York Times bestseller “Where’s the Birth Certificate?” As such, he played a central role in introducing the issue to Maricopa County, Ariz., Sheriff Joe Arpaio. The sheriff’s investigative team recently completed the first phase of an ongoing law-enforcement investigation into the many vexing and totally unvetted issues of Obama’s past that bear directly on the legality of his serving as president.

    Corsi agreed to the restrictions on the Mancow interview, and the Fox segment was taped and scheduled for broadcast.

    But then, Corsi’s publicist received a call from the show’s producer saying network executives had viewed the segment and determined that it “didn’t fit,” and thus would be scrubbed.

    “It’s clear censorship at Fox,” according to Corsi, who says it’s apparent the network didn’t want an appearance by anyone even linked to the Obama investigation, and claims it confirms the various reports that the mainstream media are censoring reports on Obama’s eligibility.

    “Fox does not want to cover the Obama eligibility issue,” he said. “It’s a clear indication Fox is moving to the left. [Owner Rupert] Murdoch must be under increasing political pressure …”

    Corsi added, “This confirms stories we’ve been gathering about the threats (against reporting on Obama’s eligibility),” he said. “In fact, it’s reaching such a level of censorship that it’s of interest to the sheriff’s posse.”

    He was referring to the “Cold Case Posse” of law-enforcement professionals and attorneys assembled by Arpaio, who announced the results of their six-month investigation on March 1.

    Arpaio’s investigation continues, but at the news conference announcing the initial results, lead investigator Mike Zullo stated, ominously: “During our investigation, we actually were told [that media] had been threatened with FTC investigations [if they continued reporting on eligibility]. Commentators [had been] threatened with their jobs.”
     
  14. Flanders

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    PART TWO:

    The threats were so intimidating that some individuals quit their positions over safety concerns for their families, Zullo confirmed.

    Before the White House’s April 27, 2011, release of the purported Obama birth certificate, Fox did provide some coverage – spurred on by both Donald Trump’s bold, public questioning of the birth certificate, as well as the then-imminent release of Corsi’s “Where’s the Birth Certificate” which shot to No. 1 on the Amazon bestseller list a full month before release. But ever since Obama released his document – judged by virtually every expert who has rendered an opinion to be a forgery – Fox, like other major cable and broadcast networks, hasn’t touched the issue.

    The irony is that Trump, a key instigator of the original coverage, now says Obama’s vaunted birth certificate is likely a forgery, and is strongly encouraging Arpaio’s investigation.

    Likewise, as the Daily Caller reported last week in a story headlined “Lord Monckton: ‘I’m no birther,’ but Obama birth certificate ‘plainly a forgery,’” Lord Christopher Monckton, the former policy adviser to British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, said of Obama: “[W]hat he has done on the White House website is he has put up a document which he is plainly a forgery and I would regard that as a very serious matter.”

    Because of the media blackout on reporting the results of the Arpaio team’s six-month investigation, Zullo eventually agreed to an ebook project to allow the evidence assembled by the professional investigators to reach the eyes of the public.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=yerPzQ4doyU

    And here, in case you missed it, is an excerpt of the viral interview with retired postman Allen Hulton who testifies that the family of unrepentant terrorist Bill Ayers funded “foreign student” Barack Obama through Harvard Law School: (Click on the link and scroll down to view Hulton’s interview. Flanders)

    http://www.wnd.com/2012/03/media-blackout-on-eligibility-near-total/
     
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    Yes. People who spread lies are bad.
    I don't know who "Hussein" is, but, assuming you mean President Obama, I'm still waiting for a response to the following:

    Please explain to me how the birth certificate is "forged", when the Hawaiian Department of Health, the party in charge of making and keeping that record, has certified on numerous occasions that it is not.

    I don't even need evidence at this point - just try to give me a plausible scenario whereby that would happen.


    See? This is what I mean. Farah and Corsi are liars. Neither of the two supposed "points" in that paragraph are true.
     
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    Just another lie spread by Corsi and WND....really there isn't enough room to cover them all:

    Trump says no; he hasn’t even read the Corsi’s book, in a quote to Mother Jones magazine. Trump said:

    …Is his birth certificate legitimate? I hope it is for the good of the country, but that’s for experts to determine–”not me. I have not read the book written by Jerry Corsi nor did we discuss whether or not the birth certificate was computer generated or in any way fabricated. I merely asked him how his book was doing and wished him good luck.


    Lying liars and the people who support them.
     
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    http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2012...e-ins-search-looking-pretty-stupid-about-now/

    Corsi, Cold Case Posse INS search looking pretty stupid about now
    By Dr. Conspiracy on March 25, 2012 in Jerome Corsi, Joe Arpaio
    Sheriff Joe Arpaio’s Cold Case Posse let Jerome Corsi do one thing for them (besides copying his book for their report), and he screwed it up.The Maricopa County press conference had everyone riveted to their seat as the story of Jerome Corsi’s search through the National Archives was told, the story of a search of INS documents collected on inbound international passengers in Honolulu. A thrill went through the birthers as it was said that the records for one week were missing, the week following Barack Obama’s birth. Did someone get to the National Archives?

    Of course, I’ve been saying since the beginning that the search was stupid because flights from Kenya all came through New York and that’s where Corsi should have been looking. But frankly I had no idea how stupid what he did was until now. You see, there was not one single US citizen arriving from Kenya by air into the United States between July 1, 1961 and June 30, 1962. None, zip, nada. Corsi could have looked until the cows came home and he wouldn’t have found anything. Something that never existed cannot be missing
     
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    OK, I'm interested. Please tell us the name of the document, book, or whatever you are referring to that will tell us conclusively the "step-by-step", verifiable chronology of the events and details in the life of Barack Hussein Obama, Junior. I've been waiting for this for years....

    Oh, and it would be greatly appreciated if it includes all the details of records relating to his Mother's maternity hospital(s), travels, passports, residencies, and, Barack's Social Security number, Selective Service registration, school records, and "normal life-event" things of that sort, along with footnotes, sources, bibliography, etc. Thank you very much!
     
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    Trump also refused to be used by Corsi in last week's news..

    The whole business about the National Archives is cr*p... and only an idiot would fall for those claims.
     
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    Of course, I’ve been saying since the beginning that the search was stupid because flights from Kenya all came through New York and that’s where Corsi should have been looking.

    But frankly I had no idea how stupid what he did was until now.

    You see, there was not one single US citizen arriving from Kenya by air into the United States between July 1, 1961 and June 30, 1962.

    None, zip, nada. Corsi could have looked until the cows came home and he wouldn’t have found anything. Something that never existed cannot be missing


    Hahahahahaha
     
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    Aw, c'mon, Jeff -- give us the name of the book, link, story, or whatever source all this valuable information came from. Pretty please...?
     
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    as soon as you show us the document, book or whatever for santorum, romney gingrich etc.
     

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