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  1. dadoalex

    dadoalex Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It certainly seems like the GOP is anti-democratic. How can one claim to be an American and support this nonsense?
     
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    Funny I just voted in GA today, took less than ten minutes, my third time going by the polling place during our TWO+ WEEKS OF VOTING.

    OP is full of hot air. You have a lot of gall using an obviously corrupt election in GA as fuel for BS voter suppression nonsense.

    Now if only my vote wasn't cancelled by irrefutable, mass election fraud in Fulton County... but that's going to be taken care of soon enough too.
     
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    Yes, ending no excuse mail-in voting, once that ship went out to sea, is voter disenfranchisement. I wonder if they see it that way, or if it went right over their heads?
     
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    wgabrie Well-Known Member Donor

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    Can you see your hypocrisy?

    I am from New York and I remember a time when we could only vote on election day. Word of the day was if you wanted to do your patriotic duty and vote, you were good enough to wait in a long line the day of the vote.

    Much to my delight New York finally made early voting legal.

    And much to my delight again we had mail-in ballots, this year only, because of Covid-19, but it was nice, I did it, and I'm hoping that someone will make mail-in voting legal from now on.
     
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    Doofenshmirtz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I don't loath anyone, but lowering the amount effort required is an advantage for the Democrats. Lowering the voting age and letting people vote from prison also helps.
     
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    Republican politicians have come to realize they are NOT the popular majority. The only way they win is through cheating and suppression. Any political party that has to rely on that tactic does not have any real substance to offer their constituents.
     
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    If people are really serious about voter fraud and voter suppression, we should all support a meeting of all state governors to hammer out a consensus on how to design, administer and count all national elections and how to secure and streamline all voter registration so that registration is easy and secure and voting is easy, secure and accountable for all citizens.
    It would also eliminate gerrymandering and all voter suppression roadblocks.
     
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    There is none. Allowing people to vote for 2.5 weeks prior to an election is ridiculous, allows for all manner of chicanery in such a long window, two or three days are enough. But it is what it is.

    The "voter suppression" narrative is a lie, an obnoxious lie that has always been a lie, especially in the wake of a documented, massively fraudulent election in a few counties that effectively nullified the votes of millions of Americans across the country. Don't get used to the massive fraud allowed by mail-in voting across the country in the 2020 election, that abuse will be rectified soon enough because it's far more difficult to rig state legislative elections than the big ones.
     
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    dadoalex Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    They're not in favor of Democracy. In democratic elections, sometimes you lose and accepting loss is part of democracy.
    The GOP has spent the last 30 years fixing elections via suppression because they can't win honestly.
     
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    dadoalex Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I know this is a hard one for you guys but have you considered changing your policies rather than suppression as a winning technique?
     
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    I don't know where you live, but in the U.S. we don't live in a Democracy, a hybrid democracy or any sort of democracy, we live in a Constitutional Republic as a matter of irrefutable legal fact. In fact, in our country, based on the legislative history written by our Framers, "democracy" is a completely undesirable, unsustainable non-government... which is why it was so roundly derided by the Framers.

    Thread is pure projection and bait otherwise in light of the massive fraud committed by Democrats and some CCP Republicans in the 2020 election.
     
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    I am not a "you guys". Republicans should find someone likable and charismatic to represent them. As Americans get sicker and more drop out of the work force, republicans will have a harder time finding people to vote for them. The pendulum will eventually swing their way. Both sides of the same ugly coin get their turn forcing their preferred brand of overreach on the country.
     
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    So we don't vote for POTUS or any other govt position?
     
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    1. The Federalist Papers (and other legislative history) are full of references to popular voting in a Republic, you don't have to have a democracy or any form of one to have popular voting, and there is not a single mention of the U.S. as a "democracy." Democracy is mentioned a few times in there generally though, 100% negatively as a type of government NOT to attempt or strive for.
    2. As a matter of fact, the people don't vote for POTUS, the state legislators in each state appoint the electors who do.
    3. The people do vote for other elected officials, and it's fair to call that process "democratic" informally, but that is not the same as calling the country itself a Democracy or a hybrid democracy because as stated, despite the mistake is repeated here and all throughout the gov-edu-union-contrator-grantee-trial lawyer-MSM Complex for obvious self-interested reasons, we are not a democracy. The U.S. government is a Constitutional Republic, not a Democratic Republic, not a Representative Democracy, not any other kind of erroneous term, but a Constitutional Republic.
    4. The reason we are a Constitutional Republic is that there is no single person or people, not even "we the people," that comprise the law of the land, but a document instead, the Constitution. The reason we are a republic has nothing at all to do with political parties, but because there are checks and balances and different government branches doing different things, which is what a Republic is.
    5. In order for the U.S. to be any form of Democracy, there would be "referenda" in federal law such as in several states, in which the voters at large could initiate legislation. They cannot do this in the federal government, and that together with all the baffles and checks/balances in our legislative and election processes generally obviates the description of the U.S. as any form of Democracy.

    This is all 6th Grade Social Studies, do we even teach that in the gov-edu indoctrination camps any more? Seems not.
     
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    What a ridiculous long winded pile of excrement you've got there. So, by your logic, why vote at all?

    I can only speak for myself, but I vote to prevent morons who believe this crap from being in charge.
     
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    I always find it funny when righties say that the USA isn't a democracy, but on the other hand, they keep bombing other countries to force them into becoming one...
     
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    As long said democracy is ultimately run by US inc. (aka. righties' pals' companies)

    If they refuse, keep bombing
     
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    dadoalex Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh lookie...a make believe civics lesson from those most ignorant of the subject

    Oh teacher...TEACHER...

    How do we select our representatives in this "Representative Republic?"
    With DEMOCRATICALLY held elections? You say?
    Welp. There ya go folks. What happens when the ignorant try to teach class.
     
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    dadoalex Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If these ongoing attempts at suppression do nor anger you then, to the contrary, you are indeed one of "those guys."
     
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    People vote for POTUS, congress, etc. THAT'S CALLED DEMOCRACY.
     
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    Sanskrit Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for the block quote, gets the legal facts about our government out to more people, who like you may have skipped 6th Grade Civics.
     
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    Sanskrit Well-Known Member

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    Already answered in crystal clear language even someone like you should be able to understand.
     
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    Sanskrit Well-Known Member

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    20 years experience as a practicing attorney. How long have you been practicing law? NM, have read your posts. My prior numbered post is legally and factually correct, learn or remain ignorant, choice is yours.
     
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    It is a common error, but understandable because the term "democracy" is, as stated, acceptable shorthand when describing fair elections as opposed to dictatorship. As far as legal and historical accuracy when describing the form of government in the U.S., though? no.
     

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