Baker won't compromise religion for homosexuals, no longer offers wedding cakes

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...tml?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

the above is a HYPERLINK to the story. If you click on it, another window will appear in your browser and it will take you to the story.

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Now Mr Phillips has revealed he will stop baking wedding cakes altogether so he will not be 'forced to participate' in a same-sex ceremony.

He told CBS 4 Denver: 'We would close down the bakery before we would complicate our beliefs.

'If it's just a birthday, I have no problem with that. My issue is that I don't want to be forced to participate in a same-sex wedding'.
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He claimed had been so overwhelmed by supporters eager to buy cookies and brownies that he does not need to make wedding cakes any more.

I am absolutely aghast over this story. Not only was he being mandated to use his artistic talent for something which goes against his religion, he was told that he had to attend tolerance classes so they could educate him on how to think.

The Commission's ruling, which was issued verbally on Friday, orders Phillips to report every three months for the next two years on anti-discrimination training for his staff, and any customers who are refused service at his establishment.
and here is the HYPERLINK to the above quote, again, same instructions for using the HYPERLINK http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/christian-baker-must-make-wedding-bakes-for-gay-couples-court-rules


Would these same people force a Muslim to serve pork? Would they force a Jew to perform or bake for skinheads?

Why does it seem that Christianity is under full assault and that homosexual sex trumps all?

I applaud the baker for ceasing production of all wedding cakes vs complying with the homosexual agenda. I also applaud the consumers for supporting this assault upon religious freedom and patronizing the shop.

This is very frightening.

Here are some pictures of the happy couple who felt the need to punish the man for his Christian beliefs

 

what Christian beliefs? Point in the bible where it says it is a sin to bake cakes for sinners. This will be interesting

As far as their refusal to serve. I believe a company should be able to refuse service to anybody they choose.

I just don't get the crap about this being against their religion. I rather resent people using Christ to excuse their prejudice.

 

I would not ask the govt to force a Muslim to serve pork nor ask a Jew to serve skinheads. I do not understand why homosexuals feel they should ask the govt to force Christians to go against their beliefs on homosexual marriage.

 

Where is it written in the Bible that it's a sin to sell things to gay people?

 

I've asked you think before but I don't believe you gave a straight answer; Do you believe religious people should be granted automatic exemptions from laws they claim goes against their beliefs? Do you believe non-religious people should be granted similar exemptions for their own strongly-held beliefs?

 

Sounds like a fair stance to take. He would make a Birthday cake for a Gay Man or Woman...but supplying part of a Gay Wedding takes it too far for him.

The fact he has to go to the thought center for re-education is pretty offensive.

 

I am not convinced that you read the articles from the provided hyperlinks, did you? The baker is all too happy to sell to homosexuals all sorts of confections, including to that fabulous couple. What he will not do is provide a wedding cake for a homosexual wedding. It seems to me that the 2 homosexuals in the story are bitter people looking to force upon others the acceptance of their choice of a homosexual lifestyle. IMO, it's not about a cake because they could have gone to the local Piggly Wiggly http://www.pigglywiggly.com/ and bought a cake. I believe it's about going against Christians and looking to the govt to impose the homosexual faith upon others.

 

please reread carefully.

since you completely ignored my statementto repeat the same nonsense over again I will do the same until you read and respond to my statements.

 

It isn't, and he clearly said he'd have no problem selling them a Birthday cake. So he has no issue with selling things to gay people, and he didnt say he cant because it's written in the Bible.

What he doesnt want to do is supply a focal point of a Wedding...the Wedding cake for a Gay Wedding. At that point he is as onboard in the ceremony as the florist and photographer.


It goes a step too far for him. Theres no shortage of bakers...why should he have to?

 

do you think a muslim deli should be forced to serve you a ham sam-mich, too, or does forcing religions to do what they are uncomfortable doing, only apply towards Christians

 

I think this baker is an idiot for losing out on business! It's just a cake for God's sake! He doesn't have to give the bride away

 

the re-education training is absolutely frightening. I have heard of that before somewhere ...........oh yeah, it started with the Hitler Youth

https://suite.io/diane-evans/4wz92zt

the parallels are very troubling

 

Why would a Muslim deli have ham? See a bakery has baked goods they would sell them to gay people if they told them it was for a birthday.

This isn't about forcing them to sell something they wouldn't have or make, it's about them objecting to the philosophy of the people buying it. Now if a Jewish protein walked into a non kosher deli and asked fur some ham and the deli owner refused to sell it to him because hefe was Jewish and that violated his religion then we are talking about an equivalent. Why do you think Christians should have special rights nobodyelse has?

 

OK, where in the Bible does it say it's a sin to bake a cake for a gay couple's wedding? Many gay people are Christians too ya know.

 

so if I ordered a birthday cake and used it in my gay wedding and said it was a wedding cake he would be violating his religion?

I have heard the cockimamie religious bull(*)(*)(*)(*), but what religious principles allow you to sell a cake to a gay person?

No he isn't. He doesn't even have to deliver the cake.

He shouldn't but he ought notblame his bigotry onhis religion. No religions principles exist that forbid Christians from selling cakes to gay people.

 

what we have here is a couple with their only difference with 96.4% of the population being that they engage in gay sex. We have a baker who has religious beliefs against the marriage of homosexuals. He has no issue with those living the homosexual lifestyle and frequently serves them.

We then have an out of control liberal govt who wish to impose their morality upon a free man. The man did what every good American should do, say no and stop making wedding cakes.

There is no better word than Fascism to describe what is going on and being imposed by the govt.

from www.dictionary.com

a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.

they are trying to suppress opposition and only see the homosexual-sex perspective and toss aside Christianity. If you aren't supportive of all things homosexual and the beliefs of that group then you're no good. That sure sounds like a form of racism/intolerance to me

 

it's an economic decision, definately.... but if you lose your business because you didn't cater for 3% of the total population, then your business wasn't on solid footing to start with.


plenty of companies, like FUBU, cater to, and do fine while doing so, a small demographic.

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I missed that part... he simply stopped making wedding cakes altogether?

 

He can just call it a cake. He doesn't have to call it a wedding cake. That seems like the crux of the whole thing. There we go, bakers can just sell cakes, they don't need the adjectives. Besides I don't think eating a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing cake is a biblical tradition.

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why are you avoiding this?

 

whether you believe he is right or wrong in his religious beliefs in not of consequence. I think Muslims and Jews have the entire pork thing screwed up.... but I don't force them to serve me pork at their sandwich shop or diner or force them into re-education camps to "see the error of their ways"

 

Of course not. You asked for a Birthday cake, and he gave you one. Whether you use it at a Gay Wedding or a Satanic ritual at that point isn't his concern.

You're misconstruing his stance. Only one claiming that religion means he cant sell you a Gay guy a cake is you. He didnt say such a thing. He clearly said it's just the Wedding part he has issue with, not commerce to Gay people.

Don't go to Weddings much?

"Hey thats a beautiful cake....where'd you get it?"

Yeah, he doesn't want the association.

Again you make up claims he isnt making. "Cakes" ina general sense is you twisting the argument. he is on record stating "Wedding" cake....and clearly stating he'd make a "birthday" cake for a Gay person.

You're just making up an argument he isnt making for the purpose of offering rebuttal to it.

Not based on the actual story and claims.

 

it is interesting how very few have commented on the "re-education" mandate.

 

It doesn't say that of course, and noone claimed it did.

For him, it seems that supplying a Wedding cake...(which is a huge part of the ceremony, like Flowers...Photos...and Music...), moves him into the realm of being a participant in a ceremony he doesnt believe in. His religion says Homosexuality is a sin, and while he will sell goods to gay people...that goes too far.

Why is this such a problem for you activists? Arent there other bakeries that can offer one?

Tell you what. Send your activists out to force a Muslim business to serve BLT's and then people won't have an easy out on the back of religious freedom. Until you do that, I think Christians have had enough targetting.

 

they probably wouldn't be in the business of serving pork. A cake maker is is the business of making cakes.

This would be like you going into a Muslim deli asking for a product they (*)(*)(*)(*)ing serve and then telling you no because you aren't Muslim.

I take issue with him perverting the religion into his excuse for his prejudice. That is absolutely of consequence. That is a lie, definitly against Christianity.

 

Much to some people surprise, I'm with the baker on this one.

It's his business, his time and his product he should be free to sell or not sell to anyone he likes. This isn't some state sanctioned or funded bakery, it's private and ought to be treated as such.

Admittedly I think his stance is stupid, but I believe you have the right to be dumb.

 

I wasn’t asking about Christians and homosexuals. I know what your position is on this very specific aspect. I asked a general legal question which leads on from it. It’s about how you would wish to see the issue resolved and any potential consequences of that. You’re free to evade that discussion if you’d prefer.