Banging like Baltimore <Mod Alert>

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by QLB, Oct 26, 2016.

  1. Vegas giants

    Vegas giants Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2016
    Messages:
    49,909
    Likes Received:
    5,343
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Republican state have the most gun deaths. But we will still try to reduce them for you.
     
  2. QLB

    QLB Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 7, 2015
    Messages:
    11,696
    Likes Received:
    2,019
    Trophy Points:
    113
    And Democratic zip codes CLEARLY have the highest gun deaths. Don't repeat yourself.
     
  3. Small Town Guy

    Small Town Guy Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Feb 4, 2013
    Messages:
    4,294
    Likes Received:
    354
    Trophy Points:
    83
    liberal cities have the most gun deaths...you didn't go far enough LOL
     
  4. Xenamnes

    Xenamnes Banned

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2015
    Messages:
    23,895
    Likes Received:
    7,537
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Idealistic nonsense with no basis in reality. Are you trying to convince the other forum members that such is possible? Or are you desperately trying to maintain your own optimism, in an effort to stave off being consumed by despair, and driven to committing suicide?

    - - - Updated - - -

    The state of California has more firearm-related deaths than any other state in the nation, despite having strict firearm-related restrictions.
     
  5. Vegas giants

    Vegas giants Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2016
    Messages:
    49,909
    Likes Received:
    5,343
    Trophy Points:
    113
    It is not only possible it has been achieved in other first world nations. And it can here too.

    The state of California has the most of many things....which should be obvious since it has the most people. LOL
     
  6. OrlandoChuck

    OrlandoChuck Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2013
    Messages:
    6,002
    Likes Received:
    1,313
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The states you refer to have the lowest homicide rates. It would be more effective for you to try to reduce homicide rates in the democrat states, as you can't prevent suicide in any state by passing laws.
     
  7. Vegas giants

    Vegas giants Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2016
    Messages:
    49,909
    Likes Received:
    5,343
    Trophy Points:
    113
    But gun control reduces gun deaths....you deny this?
     
  8. QLB

    QLB Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 7, 2015
    Messages:
    11,696
    Likes Received:
    2,019
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Wrong, it has the most Democrats.
     
  9. OrlandoChuck

    OrlandoChuck Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2013
    Messages:
    6,002
    Likes Received:
    1,313
    Trophy Points:
    113
    It doesn't reduce homicides, and there is no proof that gun laws effect suicide.
    The stat you cling to shows a correlation but nothing points to causation. There are many factors that the stat doesn't accurately depict.
     
  10. Vegas giants

    Vegas giants Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2016
    Messages:
    49,909
    Likes Received:
    5,343
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Can you prove causation for your case?

    - - - Updated - - -

    And the most republicans. LOL
     
  11. Small Town Guy

    Small Town Guy Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Feb 4, 2013
    Messages:
    4,294
    Likes Received:
    354
    Trophy Points:
    83
    most gun deaths by zip codes please
     
  12. Vegas giants

    Vegas giants Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2016
    Messages:
    49,909
    Likes Received:
    5,343
    Trophy Points:
    113
    or by state
     
  13. Small Town Guy

    Small Town Guy Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Feb 4, 2013
    Messages:
    4,294
    Likes Received:
    354
    Trophy Points:
    83
    or by zip code...you gotta eat this one big guy. You lose terribly, eh? You even gave us the post that proves liberalism is the cause.
     
  14. Vegas giants

    Vegas giants Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2016
    Messages:
    49,909
    Likes Received:
    5,343
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You can ignore state data if you wish. You can also ignore the fact that the sun rises in the east. LOL
     
  15. Xenamnes

    Xenamnes Banned

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2015
    Messages:
    23,895
    Likes Received:
    7,537
    Trophy Points:
    113
    For what purpose? The number of deaths attributed to firearms, by your own admission, will always remain unacceptably high no matter what is done. The nation of Japan maintains an unacceptably high number of firearm-related deaths, despite their strict national laws, and a culture that does not value firearms like the united states. If it is impossible for them to have zero firearm-related deaths per year for a ten year period, there is no hope for the united states. There is no point in wasting fine resources in pursuing what cannot be done.

    Why does it have more firearm-related deaths than any other state in the entire country? Surely with its strict firearm-related restrictions, it should have the lowest numbers out of any state, even without the per capita argument.
     
  16. Vegas giants

    Vegas giants Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2016
    Messages:
    49,909
    Likes Received:
    5,343
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Again nothing is impossible. If we had the total gun deaths japan did....wouldn't that be a good thing?

    I can not keep explaining per capita data to you. You should be embarrassed to repeat this.
     
  17. OrlandoChuck

    OrlandoChuck Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2013
    Messages:
    6,002
    Likes Received:
    1,313
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Accuracy of information is achieved by breaking the numbers down to the lowest possible level.

    Is it an apples to apples comparison to compare rates of a state with multiple high crime metro areas, with a state that is mainly rural? There is nothing common about them other than they are called states.

    In any research, the most information is gained by getting down to the most common denominator.
     
  18. Vegas giants

    Vegas giants Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2016
    Messages:
    49,909
    Likes Received:
    5,343
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Actually it is the EXACT opposite. The LARGEST sample size results in the most accurate data. You didn't know this?
     
  19. QLB

    QLB Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 7, 2015
    Messages:
    11,696
    Likes Received:
    2,019
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Wrong again. But that is your style. LOL Say it loud enough and maybe you'll get two other people besides family members who might believe you. LOL. However, you are attempting to derail this thread. The subject is about Baltimore. Stay on it or you will be reported.
     
  20. Vegas giants

    Vegas giants Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2016
    Messages:
    49,909
    Likes Received:
    5,343
    Trophy Points:
    113
    You must then report the person I was answering. Lets discuss Baltimore. They need more gun control
     
  21. OrlandoChuck

    OrlandoChuck Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2013
    Messages:
    6,002
    Likes Received:
    1,313
    Trophy Points:
    113
    And we can't keep explaining gun deaths are made up of homicides and suicides. States with higher gun death rates but lower homicide rates...... Means........ These states have higher suicide rates. And we know gun laws have not been proven to curb suicides. Your stat doesn't prove causation.
     
  22. Vegas giants

    Vegas giants Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2016
    Messages:
    49,909
    Likes Received:
    5,343
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I wish I could comment but I have been told that you and I are derailing the thread. Its about Baltimore. Sorry
     
  23. OrlandoChuck

    OrlandoChuck Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2013
    Messages:
    6,002
    Likes Received:
    1,313
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Not if you are trying to pinpoint the exact area of the problem. This isn't a poll. When analyzing stats, we break it down as far as possible, that's how we make use of the info.
    Using your method though, why are you citing state stats? Why not use the national gun death stat? Why not the world?
     
  24. Vegas giants

    Vegas giants Banned

    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2016
    Messages:
    49,909
    Likes Received:
    5,343
    Trophy Points:
    113
    No sir you do not. That is horrible statistical analysis. The larger the n the more you can reduce extraneous variables. This is basic statistics. We should really be talking at the country level for the best results.
     
  25. OrlandoChuck

    OrlandoChuck Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2013
    Messages:
    6,002
    Likes Received:
    1,313
    Trophy Points:
    113
    By examining national stats you only get a certain amount of info. When you break it down by state, you get more info. Then by breaking it down by city, you get even more info, and to take it all the way down to the Zip, you get info that national and state stats can't provide. We learn where to concentrate our efforts.
    To break these down further by homicide and suicide we get the greatest amount of info to work on solutions.
     

Share This Page