Be Very Afraid!

Discussion in 'Coronavirus Pandemic Discussions' started by Moi621, Nov 20, 2020.

PF does not allow misinformation. However, please note that posts could occasionally contain content in violation of our policies prior to our staff intervening. We urge you to seek reliable alternate sources to verify information you read in this forum.

  1. Moi621

    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2013
    Messages:
    19,380
    Likes Received:
    7,657
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Be Afraid.
    Be Very Afraid!


    CoronaVirus.png

    CoronaVirus-1.png



    The surge is happening.
    And it doesn't matter if you live in FREE Dakota
    or The Fauci Dakota.
    What does matter?
    Really.


    Moi :oldman:
    We're All gonna die!





    No Canada-1.jpg
    Across an immense, unguarded, ethereal border, Canadians, cool and unsympathetic,
    regard our America with envious eyes and slowly and surely draw their plans against us.
     
    Last edited: Nov 20, 2020
    Bridget and DennisTate like this.
  2. Moi621

    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2013
    Messages:
    19,380
    Likes Received:
    7,657
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
  3. HereWeGoAgain

    HereWeGoAgain Banned

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2016
    Messages:
    27,942
    Likes Received:
    19,980
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Yes, but that says nothing about the reason for wearing masks. We wear masks to protect those around us. They wear masks to protect you.

    Wear masks. Short of a total lockdown, if you don't want a total lockdown, they are the most effective defense we all have until the vaccine is available next spring.

    If someone else isn't wearing a mask, they are putting YOUR life at risk.

    If you don't wear a mask, you could kill the people around you.

    Wearing a mask does appear to provide some protection for the wearer. But the evidence is preliminary. But it isn't a binary question either. If masks reduce the amount of virus to which you are exposed, and studies show that they do, you might not get nearly as sick or die, than if you get a heavy exposure. The evidence for this is found in medical workers who get large levels of exposure, get very sick and die quickly. The more you can limit exposure, the greater your chance of survival.
     
    Last edited: Nov 21, 2020
    fiddlerdave and Derideo_Te like this.
  4. Moi621

    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2013
    Messages:
    19,380
    Likes Received:
    7,657
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    @HereWeGoAgain

    Check out the differences between North & South Dakota
    Mask rules and this week's infection rates.
    Different rules, the same infection rates.
    But, don't take my word for it. Check it out.


    Moi

    Deus vult!





    Canada-3.png
     
    gfm7175, LoneStarGal and DennisTate like this.
  5. Chrizton

    Chrizton Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2020
    Messages:
    7,935
    Likes Received:
    3,902
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Our local case trend has been rather stable since mid-november but the deaths have been down. Haven't had any local deaths reported since the 10th and have only had 3 this month so far. There is a reporting lag on the deaths in my state though. Takes 2-3 weeks. There have been an additional 3 deaths in the other parts of the county this month so it comes out to 5. The city and the county are each averaging around 20 new cases a day. That will change after next week. Popular travel weeks/weekends usually bring a good 2 week surge in cases.
     
  6. joesnagg

    joesnagg Banned

    Joined:
    Aug 12, 2020
    Messages:
    4,749
    Likes Received:
    6,801
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Yessir, we all gonna die. I can't wait to see how the miracle vaccine plays out considering Covid-19 apocalypticism is now Americas' long awaited third party.
     
    Bridget, gfm7175, LoneStarGal and 2 others like this.
  7. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2015
    Messages:
    23,110
    Likes Received:
    11,949
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Case numbers based upon the notorious PCR tests are meaningless.

    Only the true believers in the church elevate them to being meaningful, as predicted.
     
    Scott and gfm7175 like this.
  8. fiddlerdave

    fiddlerdave Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2010
    Messages:
    19,083
    Likes Received:
    2,706
    Trophy Points:
    113
    These two small state populations overwhelmingly populated by visitors, particularly the kinds that have huge partys place like Turgis and other events, places where handwashing, masks, social distancing and people who supposedly have no hugs, kissing, fighting, and are sharing bottles of booze, crack pipes, doobies, and sex with friends and the army of hookers who follow these events!

    Statistically, there can be very little difference when the numbers of transients are much larger than the socially active local residents.
     
    Sallyally likes this.
  9. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2015
    Messages:
    23,110
    Likes Received:
    11,949
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Fear drives the pandemic. The land of the free requires masks be worn during flu season. The home of the brave are huddled in their homes afraid of their own shadows.
     
    gfm7175 and James California like this.
  10. fiddlerdave

    fiddlerdave Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2010
    Messages:
    19,083
    Likes Received:
    2,706
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Odd. I am playing bridge with 3 other people scattered around the globe after removing my mask after picking up munchies, and my feet are up on a ottoman while enjoying a fantastic scotch whiskey. The shadows are watching me bid 3 with NoTrump. This will be a exciting game!
     
    AZ., Melb_muser and Derideo_Te like this.
  11. StillBlue

    StillBlue Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2016
    Messages:
    13,824
    Likes Received:
    15,362
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Back in July a poster from Texas was bragging how well Texas was doing. they weren't taking no advice from NY. They were warned that if they didn't change soon they'd see their numbers soar. Here we are mid December and NY has less than half the daily deaths as Texas despite a larger population and Texas is near to passing NY on deaths per million. Don't get complacent because a vaccine is starting up. It's still many months before it's generally available, we don't know how long it lasts and far too many say they'll refuse it anyway to produce a herd immunity which could eliminate the threat.

    Wearing a mask is an inconvenience but a far less inconvenience than lock downs.
    Wearing a mask is an inconvenience but a far less inconvenience than death.
    You can get used to wearing a mask just as you get used to wearing pants. Babies cry and struggle against wearing pants, grownups don't think twice.

    It's hard to get used to losing loved ones because you had to have a big Thanksgiving gathering.
    It's hard to get used to spending Christmas admitted to or visiting an ICU because you had to have a big Thanksgiving gathering.
    Christmas will never be the same after you lose a loved one because you had to have a big Christmas gathering.
    You can get used to being dead.

    If everyone did as advised they wouldn't need to be forced to later.
     
  12. StillBlue

    StillBlue Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2016
    Messages:
    13,824
    Likes Received:
    15,362
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Did your partner respond with 5? I haven't played in years but I'll always remember my last hand. I opened 2 NT and my partner Immediately went to 6 NT. He apparently wanted to finish. The small slam put us over the top.
     
  13. Melb_muser

    Melb_muser Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Aug 13, 2020
    Messages:
    11,302
    Likes Received:
    11,643
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    And in Australia, because of our discipline and social adhesion we are mask and Covid free. The more compliant the populace following health guidelines the better the outcome. I.e. true freedom is earnt
     
    AZ. and StillBlue like this.
  14. StillBlue

    StillBlue Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2016
    Messages:
    13,824
    Likes Received:
    15,362
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I used an analogy from a 70s ad campaign for an oil product. The mechanic compares what happens when you don't change your oil frequently with their product. Smooth running car, "pay me now", car needing a new engine, "or pay me later".
    It's the same in this. If everyone wore masks, washed their hands and stayed home at the first sign of sickness there would be little, or in your case and where I am as well, no virus transmission and life goes on as normal. But the more that resist the inconvenience of masks and staying home the worse the aftermath. The United States with arguable the best hospital system in the world is in the top 10 for deaths/million. That shouldn't be and wouldn't be if people worked together.
     
    Last edited: Dec 14, 2020
    AZ., Sallyally and Melb_muser like this.
  15. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2015
    Messages:
    23,110
    Likes Received:
    11,949
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Yes, but put you out on the street or in the park with others without a mask, and you would be most uncomfortable. So uncomfortable you might be described as fearful. Put you inside a building without a mask and you might experience high anxiety. :peace:
     
  16. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2015
    Messages:
    23,110
    Likes Received:
    11,949
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Best of luck to all the good people of Australia!
     
    Melb_muser likes this.
  17. Moi621

    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2013
    Messages:
    19,380
    Likes Received:
    7,657
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    @Eleuthera

    Summer helps!
     
    Last edited: Dec 30, 2020
    Melb_muser likes this.
  18. Sallyally

    Sallyally Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2017
    Messages:
    16,047
    Likes Received:
    28,622
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Female
    You mozzed us!
     
    Melb_muser likes this.
  19. Moi621

    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2013
    Messages:
    19,380
    Likes Received:
    7,657
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Be Very Afraid :eekeyes:

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/california-reports-first-case-more-212206027.html

    California reports first case of more contagious COVID-19 strain; more states expected

    Wed, December 30, 2020, 3:01 PM PST
    SAN DIEGO – California has reported its first case of a more contagious COVID-19 variant first identified in the United Kingdom – the second confirmed case in the U.S.

    Gov. Gavin Newsom, speaking in an online conversation with Dr. Anthony Fauci, the nation's leading infectious disease expert, said the case was confirmed in Southern California Wednesday afternoon.

    "Because there is no travel history, we believe this is not an isolated case in San Diego County," Fletcher said. He urged residents to stay at home for New Year's celebrations, citing the region's already strained healthcare system.

    Colorado reported the first known case of the variant in the U.S. on Tuesday and was
    investigating a second possible case . . .


    When do we close the airports and highways
    quarantine California!
    Conversely, Californians look at it as quarantining
    the world from "us".

    BTW when did the new strain become "more contagious"?
    Not as much $ terming it the milder strain.
    Or the less contagious strain. ;)


    Moi
    :oldman:




    Quarantine :flagcanada:
     
    Last edited: Dec 31, 2020
    Sallyally likes this.
  20. fiddlerdave

    fiddlerdave Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2010
    Messages:
    19,083
    Likes Received:
    2,706
    Trophy Points:
    113
    No point, because it is everywhere already.

    Not just in California, not the USA, but across Canada and Europe.

    Only a few comparative cases are can be tested enough to determine this new strain.

    There are certainly more strains as well. This is what happens when there are far more cases of any disease - there are more opportunities for mutation and changes.
     
    FreshAir and Sallyally like this.
  21. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2015
    Messages:
    23,110
    Likes Received:
    11,949
    Trophy Points:
    113
    More precisely, sunshine and Vitamin D and zinc help immensely. Sadly that wee bit of wisdom is never transmitted by the mainstream media. They prefer to focus on fear-mongering. At least here in the US. Likely it's the same in Australia.
     
    LoneStarGal and James California like this.
  22. CenterField

    CenterField Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2020
    Messages:
    9,858
    Likes Received:
    8,404
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Warning:

    Certain PCR essays and rapid tests that have only one target, the S (spike) gene target, may not able to diagnose cases when it's the B.1.1.7 strain and may return a false negative, given that of the 17 mutations in this new strain, 8 occur in the S gene. Other mutations occur in the ORF1a/b, ORF8 (generally not used for tests) and the N genes. While these mutations impact some of the other genes, it's the S ones that are concerning, for diagnosis. The 69-70 deletion of the S gene will invalidate tests that use this target,

    Most have more than one target but some have just one. I actually do not know if there are tests with only one S target used in America. The ones I do know, are fine. Anybody in other countries should make sure that their tests do use either more than one gene or a gene that is not the S gene.

    The LabCorp test uses 3 regions of the N gene (nucleocapside gene).
    The one made by Therapak for home collection also uses the N gene.
    The Roche Cobas 6800 uses two genes, the E gene (envelope) and the ORF1a (open reading frame)
    The Hologic Aptima TMA uses two regions of the ORF1a/b.
    The Abbott test targets the RdRp (RNA dependent RNA polymerase) and the N genes
    The LDP test targets the RdRp and the E genes
    The Cepheid Xpress targets the E and N2 genes
    The Quest targets the N gene only

    -----------

    Now, here is the interesting part: the problem above can also be used for the good. Take a test like the Thermo Fisher one. It does use the S gene and it's affected by the 69-70 deletion. But it also uses the N gene and the ORF1a/b. So the test would still come back positive but would have what we call an S gene drop out. It would come back positive for the N gene, positive for the ORF1a/b, but negative for S. So, what does it mean? That the patient has the B.1.1.7 strain!!! This is a cheaper and faster way of diagnosing the strain, rather than genomic sequencing.
     
    Quantum Nerd likes this.
  23. CenterField

    CenterField Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2020
    Messages:
    9,858
    Likes Received:
    8,404
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I forgot to say: the CDC Multiplex test for flu and Covid-19, targets the N gene for the Covid part.
    I looked up a few international ones. Found one in Korea (KH Medical) and one in Germany (Altona) that use the S gene.
     
  24. CenterField

    CenterField Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2020
    Messages:
    9,858
    Likes Received:
    8,404
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    The Lucira home test (prescription) targets the N gene only (two non-overlapping regions of the N gene).
    The Allume home test (over-the-counter) also targets the nucleocapside itself (not the gene) so it should be fine, too.
     
  25. fiddlerdave

    fiddlerdave Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2010
    Messages:
    19,083
    Likes Received:
    2,706
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Well, CF, thank you very much, although I was overloaded after about halfway through (or sooner) your description!

    Fortunately, I am hoping a vaccine shot will come open in the coming couple weeks - on Fridays my main hospital client lets family and contractors get to get a opportunity of excess shots unused by primary caregivers for use for less critical workers.

    It would nice to be these discussions to be more theoretical and pleasantly informative, for me.
     

Share This Page