Being a patriotic American doesn't make you a 'Christian nationalist'

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    Courtesy of Mark Creech

    …urged American Christians, regardless of their political persuasion, not to allow the Left to define how they see the United States.

    According to Land, the Left-leaning American media invented the hot-button phrase “Christian nationalism” as a pejorative term that serves to undermine the fundamental relationship between Christians and this nation as defined in the U.S. Constitution.

    “I’m not a Christian nationalist,” Land said. “I’ve read about some, but I don’t know any.”

    “I think it is a tactic by the Left and their toadies in the media to suppress patriotic beliefs and to suppress the idea that America is a unique country,” added Land.

    “They hate that, they don’t believe it themselves.”…









    https://www.christianpost.com/news/being-a-patriotic-american-doesnt-make-you-a-christian-nationalist.html






    The secular progressive urban elites lie about what it is to be a patriot and what it is to be a Christian. They have created the term “Christian Nationalist” as a pejorative to smear religious people who love our country and put America first. Despite the vitriolic hate of the idea that America is an exceptional nation on the part of the secular left urban elites, that’s what America truly is.
     
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    America is an exceptional nation. We were founded in 1776 by Divine Providence to be a Shining City on a Hill, a beacon of light in a world of darkness. There is nothing that the enemies within on the secular left can say or do to dissuade us of these facts.
     
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    Being a Christian Nationalist - or Nat C, to abbreviate - doesn't make one a patriotic 'Murican. Just sayin'... 1584414804.3941-smiley.gif
     
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    Ahh such hubris.
     
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    It is possible to be a Christian, a patriot, and a Democrat: e.g. Jimmy Carter.

    It is probably not the not the word "Christian" that is the pejurative referred to. It may however be the term "nationalist" because many nationalists try to claim Chistianity as their own while understanding others may also be Christians.
    I do see anti Christian sentiment here, but it is in the belief that one must be an American Nationalist in order to be a Christian. That places a political belief above a spiritual belief.
     
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    The Christo (neo) fascists want integration of Christian Church and US State(s). AKA Dominionism. Then there is that thing called the US constitution.

    Yes, stemming from misguided righteousness and zealotry.
    Of course it is! But this is specifically about the Victor Orbán Christo fascist model imposed on Hungary et al. They do not want separation of Church and State.
     
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    That’s not for you to decide/ determine.
     
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    The bicoastal secular progressive urban elites are full of that.
     
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    I don’t know of anyone who believes that one must be a nationalist to be a Christian.
     
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    There are very few Christian dominionists in the USA. Almost all Christians believe in at least some degree of separation of church and state and see the dangers of a state church or a church using government to coerce in doctrinal belief. The article is about secular elites bigotry against ordinary Americans religious beliefs as well as our love of country. The combination of both in us is anathema to them
     
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    That's not for you to decide/determine.


    Actually the idea of the ciry on a hill came from a sermon by John Winthrop who founded Massachusetts Bay Colony. He died in 1649 which was 127 years before this nation became a nation. So I think this has more to do with his religion than founding the nation. The phrase was revived in a speech by President Reagan in the 1980’s more than 200 years after the founding of the nationso I think that had little with the founding of the nation.

    The American republic was founded on a set of beliefs that were tested during the Revolutionary War. Among them was the idea that all people are created equal, whether European, Native American, or African American, and that these people have fundamental rights, such as liberty, free speech, freedom of religion, due process of law, and freedom of assembly. America’s revolutionaries openly discussed these concepts. Many Americans agreed with them but some found that the ideology was far more acceptable in the abstract than in practice. I suspect you may be one of those.
     
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    Apparently the man you quote does and your post #2 indicates you feel the same way.
     
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    all "patriots" should know the accompanying photo shows a violation of usc4 chapter 1. (or refer to the boy scouts manual, the bluejacket manual, the guidebook for marines etc etc etc)

    No other flag or pennant should be placed above or, if on the same level, to the right of the flag of the United States of America,

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    Dominionism and Trumpism are the two most dangerous beliefs the US has ever faced, and they are combining
     
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    Trumpers do it too. Hell, I knew a guy who put a WalMart banner up there.

    No part of any flag protocols has the force of law.
     
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    Same goes for the OP. Suck on it...
     
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    No, but flagrantly wiping one's arse with them while bleating about "Muh flag!" makes it easier to spot the hypocritical idiots. Just sayin'...
     
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    Yes, it is. Unless you are admitting that your side is willing to force this upon the rest of the public by any means, including violence, of which there is already evidence the T minions have done so.
     
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    He should definitely read the Thomas Jefferson Bible...

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_Bible
     
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    Winthrop gave that sermon in 1630 while still on the ship on the way to Massachusetts Bay:
    For we must consider that we shall be as a city upon a hill. The eyes of all people are upon us. So that if we shall deal falsely with our God in this work we have undertaken, and so cause Him to withdraw His present help from us, we shall be made a story and a by-word through the world.”

    And he took the phrase from Matthew 5: 14-16:
    14 You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hidden. 15 Nor do people light a lamp and put it under a basket, but on a stand, and it gives light to all in the house. 16 In the same way, let your light shine before others, so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven.

    The Founders to a man I think believed in that basic principle. "All men are created equal" did not mean that all be equal in importance, prestige, standing, accomplishments, prosperity etc. but they intended that all have equal protection under the law and that all have equal opportunity in their choices, options, opportunity, and liberty to seek the best life, liberty, happiness they were capable of achieving. Certainly some would be more motivated than others. Some would have greater ability, intelligence, creativity etc. than others.

    They didn't all agree on what religious beliefs were authentic by any means, but to a man they believed that unalienable rights are God given and the government would not be given authority to infringe on those in any way. And, while the central government would not interfere or mandate with religious practices or beliefs in any way, I think in their hearts all agreed with John Adams who said: "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."

    "Christian nationalism" means those people who profess Christianity as a faith and believe that it is in the best interest of Americans and the world that the USA be a free, strong, prosperous nation. Or that is what it should mean.
     
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    I'm agnostic and have never voted for Trump.

    The left likes to put people in little definable boxes so they can generalize the boogeyman they created.

    That boogeyman is pretty much anybody that doesn't tow the progressive line.
     
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    As is typical, I disagree with you, and I'm not Christian.

    I dont see any significant group of people arguing for what you claim.
     
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    They are the party of WORDS. And their base swallows it WHOLE no questions asked.
    Go ask any random lib on the street if they think republicans are fascism
    Then ask them to define fascism
    9 out of 10 won't be able to.
     
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    Disagreement is good, feel free to inform yourself, plenty of info available and the OP says it all, no separation of church and state and I am a Christian.
     

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