Being Poor is NOT a virtue!

It does the heart good knowing so many are catching on to that fact. I would take crony capitalism/market socialism over outright socialism. But being I'm starting from the bottom, and want to be great one day, capitalism for all, with a state separated from wealth, would be the ideal system. I'm afraid outside of an all out revolt from the global regime, our nation is doomed by design.

 

Corporations, in a legal sense, are a tax classification created by government.

However, big business has operated much like corporations since long before the modern corporation. While government is part of the reason why corporations can abuse their power (and part of why big business has power to begin with), there is no escaping the fact that government and business will always be intertwined.

It's a matter of degrees, not an all or nothing arrangement.

Because the wealthy always run whatever system you devise and rich and poor will always exist, it's simply a matter of ensuring that government can somewhat hold big business accountable for its abuses. This is why regulation is needed in the first place.

 

Pretty much... although both sides can be guilty of oversimplification.

When it comes to handling poverty, the right wing tends to do this.

When it comes to gun crime, the left wing tends to do it.

To actually solve most problems, it requires a nuanced approach, although unfortunately, that doesn't appeal to the vocal ideologues out there.

 

Jesus was penniless, I guess you have a problem with Jesus too?

 

Its 2011. In Jesus time just about everybody was poor. I don't think Jesus was against people improving themselves like liberals are. For liberals, if the poor actually do better, they may vote in a more wise manner and libs would hate that.

 

Jesus was a cared for prophet. What he did not recieve in donations, he used his Godly powers to provide.

 

And even more relevant.

Except for the rich, nothing's changed there.

That's just a stupid thing to say.
Jesus was the ultimate lib, he kept it as basic as possible, no 14 bedroom mansions for him, or his followers.

I'll happily take that shot, I doubt you'll be too happy tho with the results.

 

Funny, I don't recall Jesus petitioning the government for welfare programs and entitlements.

 

cons have this convenient way of forgetting the unforgettable, time for a Bible recap?
Funnier still, I don't recall Jesus lying us into needless wars that cost America dearly and will be paying for it for years to come, just for starters.

 

When Jesus was leaving, he saw a man named Matthew. Matthew was sitting at his place for collecting taxes. Jesus said to him, "Follow me." Then Matthew stood up and followed Jesus. Jesus ate dinner at Matthew's house. Many tax collectors and other bad people came and ate with Jesus and his followers. The Pharisees saw that Jesus was eating with these people. The Pharisees asked Jesus' followers, "Why does your teacher eat with tax collectors and other bad people?" Jesus heard the Pharisees say this. So Jesus said to the Pharisees, "Healthy people don't need a doctor. It is the sick people that need a doctor. I will tell you something. Go and learn what it means: 'I don't want animal sacrifices; I want you to show kindness to people.' I did not come to invite good people. I came to invite sinners." Then the followers of John came to Jesus. They said to Jesus, "We and the Pharisees fast often. But your followers don't fast. Why?" Jesus answered, "{When there is a wedding,} the friends of the bridegroom are not sad while he is with them. But the time will come when the bridegroom will leave them. The friends are sad when the bridegroom leaves. Then they will fast. "When a person sews a patch over a hole on an old coat, he never uses a piece of cloth that is not yet shrunk. If he does, the patch will {shrink and} pull away from the coat. Then the hole will be worse. Also, people never pour new wine into old wine bags. Why? Because the old bags will break. The wine will spill, and the wine bags will be ruined. But people always pour new wine into new wine bags. Then the wine and the wine bags will continue to be good."

Doesn't sound like a "liberal" to me.

 

That's because cons think they own the term conservative, when in fact libs are more conservative than the con men of America

 

What is more "con" than telling your followers to live one way, while hanging out with those who live the complete opposite way? Oh wait, you're right. He was a liberal.

 

Lying us into needless wars ?

Are these the lies you mean?

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cwqh4wQPoQk"]Democrats on Iraq + WMD's (Weapons of Mass Destruction) - YouTube[/ame]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IH93UlGHBfk&feature=related"]John Kerry saying he found WMD in Iraq - YouTube[/ame]

And there was a Senate investigation that found that the Bush administration put NO pressure on the intelligence community to report WMD's.

You loony liberals swallow propaganda like the mentally starved waifs you are. Try investigating reality for yourself instead of constantly dining on liberal lies.

 

I have no doubt that republicans have engaged in unnecessary wars and unconstitutional entitlements.

Yet, you have not proved that Jesus was a liberal that advocated government charity and entitlements.

 

Jesus never fit into any faction of his day, never took a political position, never held office, and never failed to make clear that his kingdom is not of this world. Those of Christ's day that tried to enlist them in their petty earthly conflicts failed to do so and people today who try the same will not meet with any more luck. I tried to make this clear in my thread: http://www.politicalforum.com/polit...-lefts-misguided-view-capital-punishment.html but few seem to get this.

 

Jesus didn't tell liberal lies either.

 

And the conservatives and libertarians are more liberated than the liberals. Funny how that works out isn't it?

 

It is easier for a camel to get through the eye of a needle than for a Republican to get into Heaven, of course, but they wouldn't know Heaven from Hell anyway, since all they care about is money.

 

Well I'm not a Christian and could give a (*)(*)(*)(*) less what God or anyone else thinks.

You make your heaven on Earth and I'm not particularly interested in some 2000 year old prophet telling me that my pursuit of wealth and happiness for myself, my family and my posterity is immoral.

So if the moral authority of Jesus himself has no effect on me, why would I give a (*)(*)(*)(*) about the mere mortals of leftist egalitarianism?

 

No reason whatever. Your Mammon-worshipping Party, however, pretends to be Christian for some reason. Why is that, do you think?

 

Got anything other than ancient unprovable beliefs? Jesus didn't drive a car either, shall we do away with cars? What was life expectancy in Jesus time? At 33, his time was just about up. Would you like to go back to that? [that would have gotten rid of me a couple of decades ago] Shall everyone eat unleavened bread, cheese and fish every meal? Shall, you post no more forever on this device that Jesus did not have?
In case you haven't figured it out yet. I see RELIGION as big business, nothing more. Religions tend to change with the times. In business, that's called marketing.

 

At what point would you ignore the past? Fifty years? Five years? Six months? Five minutes? I have no patience with religion - it was just a way people used to think - but I find no difficulty whatever in seeing the relevance of what Jesus said to the sick mess we live in at the moment.

 

True republicans are not conservatives, and true conservatives are not progressives, and true progressives are not liberals.


Everything makes so much sense now.

 

I find it refreshing a few conservatives are saying they are not Christians. It gives me the hope that the party will stop the gay bashing and stem cell research controversy.