Bergdahl scandal; a Veteran's perspective

Or Bush jr.

 

Jimmy Carter would indeed be high on my list.
Also noteworthy for integrity was Harry Truman.

Both men were US military Veterans, by the way.

 

Your ignorance is astounding.

The military has higher enlistment standards than most civilian companies.

 

If you rate willing to kill on order as a standard I accept your argument.

 

yet, you are siding with one

doesn't it bother you that the gop is using pictures of dead soldiers for political gain and fundraising?

a standard that is bent and broken on a regular basis

 

dujac,
I do not side with the GOP.
My feelings regarding Bergdahl the deserter (and Obama the crooked politician) are very much my own.

If the Republicans happen to support trying Bergdahl for desertion under the UCMJ, then it is fortuitous that they find themselves on the right side of history this particular time.
Even a blind squirrel finds a nut every now and then.


And no, I do not support any political party using pictures of dead soldiers for political gain.
I do not admire politicians.

I do however admire leaders.

My own Army has a rich history of producing some world class leaders.
It has also produced some world class jerks, users, self-serving dorks, and useless, incompetent dweebs.
In that regard, the Army is like a microcosm of all of society.
The difference is that the men and women of the Army are expected to go to war, and kill the enemy.
They are expected to conduct themselves with honor and integrity.

Here is where Bergdahl went wrong;
He deserted in a theater of war, and walked away from his military team-mates in a combat zone.

Here is what he SHOULD have done.
He should have gone to his superiors and told them that he wanted to resign out of the military.
Declare himself a conscientious objector.
They would have sent him back to the States, and he would have been chaptered-out for incompatibility with military service.
THEN he could have gone over and sought out the Taliban who he apparently admired so much.
Or he could have become a credible leader of anti-war protestors.
As it is now, he will likely face a firing squad for desertion and collaboration.

He just went about things the wrong way is all.

 

you op indicates that you do, despite your denials

based on what?

 

If the GOP announced that they want marijuana legalized (as I do, and as I have stated for many years) would you accuse me of siding with the GOP?

If the GOP declared that it is foolish to bother discussing the topic of abortion, that Roe v Wade is water long under the bridge (as I have said many times over the years) would you howl at me for 'siding with the GOP'?

Don't try to paint me into a partisan corner, dujac.
I don't play such games.
And I won't get into any 'left versus right' arguments with you, or with anybody else for that matter.
I don't see any point in it.

My many years serving in the Army, and my many years working with fine and honorable soldiers.
The public testimony offered by some of Bergdahl's combat team-mates are consistent and credible.
And the UCMJ is very clear on this matter.
Bergdahl is a deserter.

It's just matter now of how soon the Army conducts their formal inquiry, and how soon they are in a position to read him his rights and charge him with desertion.

Now matter how weak or fearful of Obama's wrath they may be, the military leadership have been painted into a corner here;
they will have to charge him with desertion.

 

they said they didn't see bergdahl leave, they want him questioned to see what happened

and didn't they sign a non disclosure agreement?

[video=youtube;uQFBdJfPuMM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQFBdJfPuMM[/video]

i read that bergdahl might not even come home for years

of course it's just speculation, but so is your assertion, you're not the decider

 

I have no idea whether the Soldiers who were in the 501st Parachute Infantry Regiment were told to sign a non-disclosure agreement or not.

In all my years in the Army, I never witnessed anybody being told to sign a non-disclosure agreement regarding their activities in a particular unit at a particular time.

ALL people who work for the military are expected obey simple, standard rules of Operational Security (OPSEC).
In general, you don't discuss ongoing current combat operations.
Troop movements, unit strengths, locations, vulnerabilities, etc. Those are all forbidden topics.

Any Soldier who has separated from the military is free to talk to ANYbody regarding their past activities, unless the information is declared Classified.
(Classified material or information may be Confidential, Secret, or Top Secret, depending upon the severity of damage the release of such information may pose to the military.)

There are many guys who served in the same unit as Bergdahl at the time of his desertion.
I am quite certain each and every one of them will get their chance to testify under oath.

 

The much added and aggravated insult to injury occurred yesterday as both
Obama and Susan Rice { travelling together and in Normandy } DOUBLED down
and further disgraced the integrity of our flag and those brave men and women who
swore an oath to uphold it.
By refusing to " apologize " and acting priggish proud over their entire
behavior in regards to a Deserter.
Which means it is abundantly clear.Obama loves to use the words
' let me be clear '. Obama has absolutely no intention whatever in
Doing the Right Thing.It's always his Thing that matters most.Which is
always Political and always selfish,bratty and usually done as if on whim.
The absolute last trait any true leader should demonstrate.

 

evidently you didn't watch the video i posted

alleged desertion and like i said, they didn't see him leave, they're mad at him and admit they don't know what happened

if you watch the video you'll see that it's all conjecture and gossip, maybe they're jealous bergdahl got to play soccer with afghans

maybe they will or maybe they won't

bergdahl might get discharged & stay in europe

and if korder does get a day in court, what's he going to say

we know he's a deserter because we saw him doing sports with our ally?

 

I do.

If your country has a military chances are they follow orders too.

 

Why would they be required to sign a "non-disclosure agreement"?

 

he { Obama } only broke his own signature as to what he swore to follow.
That was back in December with a revised Nation Defense Authorization act.
What planet do you leftists toady come from.
This can't be spun like most everything else Obama flubs and has
those like MSNBC,The Washington Post and New York Times coming
instantly to his aid in the form of water-carrying propaganda.

 

The Army can prove absent without leave and that is a crime.

 

The Army KNEW within 24 hrs. that Bergdhal walked off his post.
How the Military wishes to play with that fact today as opposed to a week ago
is anyones guess at this stage.Plus there is no reason that the Military couldn't
release whatever classified material they held for 5 years about this to clear it
up. This is just another cover-up.In fact,there is a good possibility that right
now PFC Berghdal is being both debriefed and possibly brainwashed.
He may end up like Bradley Manning. Wikipedia wasted little time in
having his name changed formally { Chelsea Manning }. I mean just type
in the name Bradley Manning and you get Chelsea Manning.
Some kinda weird crap is gonna be professionally administered to Bergdhal.
He might end up dead in some german hospital.
Which would make it really Politically feasible.

 

to keep them from spreading gossip on national tv, like they already did? i don't really know, you tell me

allegedly, according to you, someone that doesn't even seem to understand what the standard proof is


of course you probably won't watch this, but maybe somebody else will, just for the humor

[video=youtube;tGMEJiLkLmM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGMEJiLkLmM[/video]

 

if Maobama does end-run this one, he'll be done or undone..........either way, he'll look like a (*)(*)(*)(*)ing idiot and his traitorous position will be seen by all, that is, unless you are one of his few overly-dedicated worshippers.............

 

I heard that the non-disclosure business was very rare.
meaning something very fishy was going on.That the Military may
indeed wish to manipulate the situation { of a deserter }.
Which is exactly what is taking place behind the scenes now.

 

No offense friend dujac, but I never click on web-links to videos on web forums.

I have been a web forum moderator on a variety of sites over the years, and unless I am a moderator on a given site (and I have ample opportunity to check each video link to check its source) I do not mess around with it.
I've seen too many viruses passed around.

Same thing with Facebook. I don't click on links there either.

I can only surmise that your video depicted an interview with one or two former service members who weren't able to definitively state that they saw Bergdahl desert with their own eyes?

It seems that there are other videos out there as well.
Videos showing interviews with close team mates of Bergdahl who state emphatically that he DID desert.

What exactly is your point anyway?
Do you believe in your heart of hearts that Bergdahl committed no crime under the UCMJ?

Please clarify, because I don't care to engage in nonsensical "I'm a lefty and I suspect you're a righty, so I want to bicker with you" dialogue.

What exactly, based upon all the evidence on display to date, do YOU believe Bergdahl did?

 

Umm...the members of Bergdahls unit are EYEWITNESSES. Der. They have FREE SPEECH.

 

eyewitnesses to what, a soccer game?

who said they didn't

 

His being ABSENT from his POST,WITHOUT LEAVE, as established by his superior officers already.

Keep going in silly little circles.


"What a joke".

 

silly ...............you do know that the military has it's own standards as well as its own laws and system of penalties. You cannot use civilians tactics and law in a military hearing and trial............but since you claimed you had served, you would know that. or was that misleading [your claim of service]?
When you volunteer, you agree to these things.
But since you are not in charge of any thing military, you'll just have to be satisfied...........regardless of your rant.