Biden: Doddering old puppet or genius mastermind?

Lol, so now the 1st Amendment means the right to worship the one and only true god as declared by modern day “Christians,”

 

Let's call it the "Creator". Declare what you believe the Creator to be. You seem to want to join those who are "vague" about their faith. Then explain what you mean. Are rights afforded us by a Creator, or does the "State" with all of their power afford us our rights? "Situational ethics" seems to have a lot of you confused. Confused about faith, confused about gender, confused about a lot of things. If you stand for nothing you'll fall for anything. Our Founding Fathers were not confused. Don't try and confuse their intent. It is the main weapon of leftists!

 

Allah is also the god of abraham. Ishmael being abraham's eldest son.

I see no references in the constitution to a specific god. Geo Washington was not there when

Washington on personal beliefs are not part of the constitution. Did he believe in a god, yes. So what?

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How Did George Washington Contribute to the Constitution of the United States?
Rising above conflicts between individual states, Washington created an atmosphere that allowed convention members to reach the compromises necessary to create a bold, new government. He stayed relatively quiet, allowing the delegates to debate the foundation of the Constitution amongst themselves. While Washington held the belief that America should have a strong central government and a single executive leader, he did not allow his bias to sway the other delegates. Washington mainly participated to keep order and provide a deciding vote on a variety of proposals.
https://www.mountvernon.org/george-washington/constitutional-convention/convention-president/

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You don't find any specific god mentioned. Nor the word god used. Hence the term "their Creator".

Remember, the founders rejected your version of force to have religion as part of the new country.
Religion is not to be delegated by the State.

 

You say religion but I speak of "Faith". We are not the Church of England, or Catholic, or Methodist or any other....but we have faith.
Washington recognized denominational differences. He was not vague and neither were most all of the others. In fact, several were Bible Scholars.They sought to overlook petty differences in favor of unity. That is becoming more and more the case in the Body of Christ. That is our heritage as Americans. You don't like it so that is just tough. You remain vague in your faith and what concerns me is that maybe you just put to much faith in "government". America is different and better than that! It is what makes us unique and is why individuals come here in the hopes of prospering in the shade of "individual liberty" granted us by a Holy God!

 

Your faith is yours alone.
And has nothing at all to do with the constitution. Or " their Creator"
Your faith, your creator,
Joe Sixpack faith, Joe Sixpack Creator.

 

So your rights are endowed by Joe Sixpack......well well. Another mockery. Those of faith, including everyone of our Founding Fathers, held their faith in "High Esteem" yet you mock. The problem is the elite that currently runs this nation, believe THEY are the end to a means. THEY know what is best for us all. And who are you and those who are vague about their faith to protest? We are endowed by our Creator and you are endowed by "Joe Sixpack" or whoever knows best. You do not stand with most Americans.

 

I am not a religious person, but the founding fathers had moral and ethical principles that set their agenda. Implicit in that was an understanding that a wide acceptance of a diversity of religions was necessary. They were well aware of the conflict between Catholics and Protestants, and some of them probably realized what happened to Jewish people in England from the time of Edward I and later.

During the late 1700s, the founding father were the freedom radicals. You can’t pull people out of their time and expect them to reflect your modern, radical values. For their time, the founding fathers were quite remarkable. Given the values of many so-called progressives, they still are. Freedom is not in style for many progressives.

 

No, his rights are endowed by HIS creator, not yours. Nowhere in the quote are you mentioned. I’m sorry to break this to you, but I thought you already knew.

 

You miss it completely. If he acknowledged a Creator (someone bigger than himself) that would be different. Like you, he prefers to be "vague". In other words, he mocks the idea of a Creator with words like "Joe Six pack". Come out from under the rock. Those of you that think we are here by happenstance are the same as those declaring the "state" is the highest form and to them, we owe our rights. You actually deny a Creator and that is where the danger lies. The Founders new it.

 

Like you, I understand the diversity in "religions". What the Founders knew, their is something that people of "faith" all have in common. Something far bigger than themselves.....the Creator.

 

It is funny how you transform my faith into something I would force on others. I believe that somehow you now I have experienced an undying faith in Jesus as my Lord and Savior. You must have an aversion to that faith like so many posting here seem to have. That's o.k. It was predicted long ago.

However you miss everything I have presented in my posts here. All I did was mention the Founders presented the idea "our rights are derived from a Creator" as opposed to government. This makes you evolutionists, atheists, self worshippers etc. walk on egg shells. You don't want to come out and say "a creator does not exist" because that would make you seem un -American.....which in most cases you are. Instead, you would prefer to remain "vague" because you lack the boldness of our Founders.

Take it at face value. We look to a Creator that dispenses our rights. Without Him, you must look to a government that dispenses your rights and has "power over you". It is the single precept that made America great. We bow to no government. Our eyes are focused on something eternal with far greater power. Real Americans have that focus and they are unashamed, not vague.

 

I’m sorry, what? Lol. The entire universe is bigger than me. The universe is my creator. I do, in fact, acknowledge that.

 

My rights, your rights, are endowed by our Constitution and the interpretation of the USSC.
LOL, your outright fabrication of my statements is tiresome, I told you they chose their words very very carefully and I respect what they wrote.
If you don't want to be honest and just throw out silly ad homs, then there's no reason for you to reply anymore.

 

Yes, "their Creator".
NO specific god.
I have no aversion. You are free to believe what you want. You have your creator, Joe Six Pack has their Creator. They are not necessarily the same Creator.
It's not "A" creator as you changed their words. It's "their Creator".

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We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.
Preamble to the Declaration of Independence
https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/declaration
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If would stick to the original words and not change them to your own words, maybe you'd understand better.
The didn't choose the word(s) A, The, Our, or any other specific word. But the general word "their"


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their
adjective
t͟hər,
ˈt͟her


1
: of or relating to them or themselves especially as possessors, agents, or objects of an action
2
: his or her : his, her, its
—used with an indefinite third person singular antecedent
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https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/their

 

Then of course you reject the Declaration of Independence as a preamble to the Constitution." Rights endowed by our Creator." Hard words for you no matter what you say. We can have a USSC that gradually changes our Constitution. They do it now through interpretation but Progressives would love to do it through written language. What you don't grasp is "the Creator" never changes......the only constant in this World. You vaguely have acknowledged a Creator, that's a good start......but it seems you give his/her position to the USSC. In light of how it has been exposed how the FBI has tampered with our free speech......that is very scary!

 

I appreciate the English lesson, Dairyair, but as an "originalist" as were the Founders, I would implore you to take the statement in context.

We hold these truths to de self evident, that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights.

Of course reasonable people would also understand that "all men" refer to human kind but that is beside the point. All the words emboldened apply to a collective as that represented ALL the People! Granted, there were divisions among denominations but they ALL acknowledged ONE CREATOR. Now you have even mentioned Islam in the past. This would apply to them as well. "Creator" is singular that implies "one". That would discount all the faiths that speak of "many gods." So if you want to embrace "Joe six pack" as your eternal Creator.....that is fine but at least acknowledge he is above the power of government.

 

No, I don't reject anything.
You have done nothing in recent post but asinine projections as your case. Very poor debate tactic.
You are correct, I don't grasp "the Creator", because that's not the words in the DoI. You keep making up your very own words. That is why you can't grasp the DoI. You just make up what you want and not use the words as written.

 

Human kind is correct. 8B humans in the world, most don't have the same words of he DoI to guide their gov't.
So, it does not impact most of the world. Mostly it's only relevant in the USA and any other country that has the same words.
The entire world does NOT recognize ONE creator. In fact, most of the world does not have even your personal creator, whatever that being may be to you.

 

There exists, or has existed, somewhere in the neighborhood of 80,000,000 gods that have been worshiped. But, the one of Jews, Muslims & Christians is the right one. For those who aren’t in the know, that’s one god, shared by three religions.

 

Curious, what happened to your thread? Biden bored everyone?

 

And those religions can't all get on the same page among their own religions. In just Christianity, there must be 1000 different denominations all with differing interpretations of the bible.

 

Spoken like a true globalist. Who do you like for a one world leader, Che?

 

It's because you look to imperfect men and do not look to God the Creator. It's that simple. There is one Body of Christ in most all those denominations. Some are in it for religious exercise, others are in it for a relationship with their Creator. You probably can't see that. The Founders certainly did. It is a spiritual thing.

 

You. Because you're easily manipulated into believing nonsense.
And I can get you to follow anything, If I tell you, your God said so.

 

Those denominations are not the worlds belief in your god.
You believe words written by imperfect men.
You seem to be in it for some religious exercise. Your own one, or some other you mimic.
Their Creator, does not have to = your creator. And most often, does not.
You probably can't see that. The founders certainly did. That's why they didn't limit Creator to any specific entity.

It is a spiritual thing. Everyone has their own spirituality.