Biden has set sky-high expectations. Can he meet them?

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  1. Surfer Joe

    Surfer Joe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Lol...You’ve really bought into trump’s lies and bullshit, haven’t you?
     
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  2. AlpinLuke

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    So, if I understand well your stance, you think that President Biden starts from a kind of ground state, from zero. Everything he will do it will be +1, +1, +1 ...
    Regardless what he will do, or anyway do you think that he should focus on some points?
     
  3. AlpinLuke

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    Historically Democratic administrations have very interested to the rest of the world ... anyway also the Republican ones have run their wars [I wouldn't be able to evaluate if always after a provocation ... sure Bush Senior and Junior reacted to something ...].
     
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    ~ Biden is nothing more than another political figurehead. Selfish evil nations rejoice that they once again have a sucker in the white house with open pockets - honest democracy nations lament that USA is once again falling back into the abyss of corruption .
     
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    the first thing Obama did was give the entire criminal Bush / Cheney admin. a 100% free pass which led directly to this orange thing we've all suffered 5yrs from gaining unfettered control, it was all another wasted 8yr Dem farce which could have been better or infinitely worse. hamstrung by turtleneck traitor Mitch there was no winning for Obama the nice guy, we needed a brawler and we got a baller. his last year he handed the farm over to the advancing enemy, the trump crime family, and allowed Russia et al into our inner sanctum and every one of them is still a major threat to National security. he should eat his NPP, it's unforgiveable the Clintons and Obamas just sat and stewed in the presence of the dumps instead of wailing on those two scumbags the last and final time they gathered. after being lied into another BS war fiasco you bet we had hope in Obama, at least he headed the greatest economic recovery in history which haters still refuse to believe cos it helped pave the road for their next jerk. the only thing good that can be said about Dems is at least they aren't repubs, they're just their enablers.
     
  6. TCassa89

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    Common misconception, but the three branches of government are not the house, senate, and white house. The house and senate are considered the same branch of government (the legislative), the other two are the executive, and the judiciary. The Republicans have a clear majority in the judiciary, so the Democrats technically only control two of the three branches of the federal government
     
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    That is my position unless he can get a larger margin in Congress with midterms. There will be no honeymoon and he cannot get any momentum. He's got to concentrate on that Pandemic because he cannot get the economy moving until its under control, and he has zero revenue in the treasury until it improves and people are paying taxes again. That stuff alone will take him until 2023. If he can do it by executive order, he can do it -and nothing else.
     
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    Yeah, from May 1967-July 1976. Thailand to Laos to Vietnam and back to Thailand. I'd do it all over again.The problem was JFK didn't listen to IKE. Then fought the war in the wrong way and in the wrong place. Fact is we went in fighting for a stalemate instead of to win. Our political leaders of the time wouldn't allow us to do that. I do often wonder if Nixon had won in 1960 if he would have followed IKE and what IKE was doing over there. It never happened, so there is no way to know. Yes, at that time, we were all young and naive, stuff happens.
     
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    Exactly right and similar to what I was going to add. Even though the Senate was not seated to confirm anyone, leaving the cabinet empty on day one, Biden to nominate and appoint individuals with strong cred and experience. He can set the agenda and let his people deliver. Weak leaders are fearful of staff who may outshine them - strong leaders know to hire people stronger than themselves. From what I've seen so far, I'm confident that his expectations will be met.
     
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    I expect the same from Biden: promising much and delivering little.
     
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    No I watched your hero operate. A person with a functioning brain knows he is senile.
     
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    I'm pretty sure you can count on continued resistance, just in the other direction.
     
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    Resistance to what?
     
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    The lefty agenda, of course.
     
  15. Zorro

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    Neither Bush hesitated to go to war, though Papa Bush went about it far more intelligently than Dubya did.
     
  16. AlpinLuke

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    Bush father reacted to an invasion [who endangered precious oil reserves ...] and Bush son reacted to a tremendous terror attack. Bush wasn't sustaining an Arab Spring in Afghanistan ...
     
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    I think I've read everything Henry Kissinger has written, and whether your agree with him or not, he's very intelligent, writes well, and was directly involved in US foreign policy during this period.

    He speaks a lot about the US policy of naivete, and not just during this period, but dating from Woodrow Wilson to the present, no matter who wins, the State Department, both right and left are what he calls "Wilsonian", and it's a real problem. My personal awareness of this began in Vietnam, but, thinking back through all the military actions that we have been involved in, except for Grenada and Gulf War 1, what we told would be the result and what actually occurred have been dramatically different and that the difference has never been good news. So what they claim they will accomplish and what actually occurs is not even close, and they don't seem to admit and learn from their failures.

    Gulf War 1 being the exception. There we followed the Powell Doctrine, which was formulated to prevent a repeat of Vietnam:
    1. Honestly outline your objectives of what you plan to do, how you know when you have done it, and when you have completed it, GET THE HELL OUT.
    2. Get the American People fully onboard before committing troops.
    There may be more, but that's the essence.

    The same folks that did this, executed it flawlessly, and then blundered into Somalia, within the same year. That was in 1991. Thanks to Trump we just now finally pulled the last of our troops out. 29 years later.

    Dubya and Iran, did a fast job knocking Saddam over and everything after that was ad-hoc and error filled. We clearly blundered mindlessly into a complete mess about as dumb as one could, and only pulled off what anyone could term as a success because of the amazing fighting ability of our military, not because the skill of our civilian commanders. How much brain injury and dismemberment our most dedicated young Americans suffered? I don't even like to think about. Then, while this blunder was still fresh in everyone's mind, Obama/Clinton/Biden fumble fck into Libya and Syria, who knows what for, leaving Libya as a failed state that now has open air slave auctions.

    They tried to hand Egypt over to the Moslem Brotherhood even though Sadat/Mubarak had been steadfast friendly allies with the US through 7 US presidents. I have no clue what they were thinking. ISIS formed a caliphate, we had slaughters of US civilians taking place in US cities, which through ISIS inspired, we all immediately were assured were "lone wolves". Though Trump's approach not only ended the Caliphate, it also ended the Lone Wolves. But, hey who cares, we hate his fkn tweets.

    Anyway, Kissinger says that a major reason why we fought for stalemate rather than a win in SE Asia is that we misunderstood the Russian/China/Vietnam relationship, viewing them as tightly coordinating and feared that there was a deeper plot to get us tied down and then pour through the Fulda gap into West Germany with plans for a communist takeover of Western Europe.

    Between Nixon/Kissinger, they figured out that was a pile of crap, but with the destruction of Nixon they lost the ability for an orderly pull out that would have preserved South Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia from the bloody aftermath they endured when we bugged out.

    I left his books with the very strong impression that with the way our government changes, we simply cannot take out complicated interventions that are likely to bridge party changes in DC. Kissinger, who had been involved in all this formulation and implementation, tried to sit down and brief the incoming Carter officials who would be taking over the State Department, and it quickly became clear that they were completely uninterested and that they were conducting a courtesy call only.

    They didn't understand what we were doing in Africa to build democracies in various nations, they did not understand how critical KSA and Iran were to the core elements of the Kissigerian Middle East which was anchored around Israel/Syria/Egypt/KSA/Iran and they let the Shah fall, and then did nothing when religious fanatics seized the Grand Mosque in Mecca, with the Carter Administration informing KSA that they were on their own. Their response was to start using oil money to buy off the fundamentalists and as a result, they filled the world with Madrassas dedicated to the most extreme views of Islam.

    So, I'm not a fan of interventionism. We are not currently the society that implemented the Marshal Plan and fought the Cold War, with some consistency, despite Party Changes at President, though that was a period where the GOP dominated the Presidency with an electoral college lock anchored by a Republican CA that no longer exists. So, lots of reasons, and plenty of places to point fingers, but, I'll take the Trump approach even if I have to ignore his tweets. I think non-intervention as a default with intervention built on the Powell Doctrine is the best fit for our current tool set, and if the cost of that is ignoring Trump's tweets, that's fine. That's way easier to manage that looking at vets dealing with dismemberments that occurred in wars that look in retrospect like massive miscalculations.

    But, I guarantee you that Biden is cranking up the State and War Departments of Dumb and Dumber that operated in DC for 16 years under the two dumbest back to back presidents in US history.
     
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    Great. Now do Dubya's invasion and regime change in Iraq.
     
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    You missed cheaper MAGA hats.
     
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    You mean like resistance to distributing vaccines more efficiently? There is actually a "resistance" movement to that?

    Amazing!
     
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    He didn't meet them last time and he is proposing the same so why should we expect different?
     
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    He and Biden got stuff passed that didn't work. Now it's up to Biden and Pelosi and Schumer to govern but noted you are already blaming the Republicans when they fail to do so.
     
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    I expect Biden to have meetings to discuss having meetings to talk about combating the virus.
     
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    I referred to Vietnam as that was my war. IKE kept us from getting involved in Vietnam twice. He also told JFK that Laos was the key to Southeast Asia. That if the U.S. was going to make a stand, Laos would be the place. He was right. JFK decided to stay away from Laos and concentrate on South Vietnam.

    Most folks don't know it, but we had more troops in Laos than Vietnam during Eisenhower. It's a long story,
     
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    Joe Biden in reality.

    Weak, frail, senile, confused. Crooked and racist. Tells Cornpop stories!

    Joe Biden according to CNN watching drones.

    Strong, competent, patriotic, forever honest and compassionate and moral! Has high expectations!


    Honestly I don't care as long as my portfolio does well.
     

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