Biden is creating a new White House office focused on gun violence prevention

Congress has no constitutional authority to relgulate firearms.

 

I have not seen any of the gun banners explain why the founders intended that the congress had power to ban guns. I have no seen any of the gun banners explain why those who ignore laws against murder and armed robbery would actually obey gun laws and I have seen none of the gun banners explain why we added over 100 million new guns to circulation in the last 30 years and legalized almost every lawful citizen of age to carry concealed weapons during that time period and yet violent crime decreased significantly.

 

he seems to miss the fact that even if he could prove (and he cannot) that the second amendment doesn't protect an individual right, he still fails to establish that congress can regulate firearms

 

You disqualify yourself by claiming it's about banning guns.

Regulation does not mean imposing a ban on firearms.

We have plenty of regulation that can not be claimed to amount to banning.

 

yeah we keep hearing that its not about banning guns. Biden brays about banning guns. Every democrat running for the nomination in 2020 wanted to ban guns.

 

Biden, Democrats, liberals, and leftists tell us every day we need to ban 'assault weapons'
Specifically, which clause in Article I Sec 8 gives Congress the power to do this, why do you think so, and how is that power not limited by the 2nd Amendment?

 

you most likely get the usual nonsense of "wanting to ban some guns " is not wanting to ban all guns. And I respond to that bullshit with the fact that if they are truthful (they aren't but it is a good way to catch them in a lie) and their reason for wanting to ban "assault weapons" is to reduce the 1% of murders committed with said "assault weapons" then they have to want to ban shotguns and pistols which are used in far more murders. And if they deny that second round of bans-then they have been proven liars as to their motivations. If they admit they want to ban those other guns, then they lose as well

 

Totally not relevant to the discussion what the powers of congress are, and that the claim wasn't done by me and so I do not need to prove a thing.

 

no one on your side has proven that congress has the proper power to ban guns

 

That's not even the issue we were discussing. lol

 

These libs need to go on record as seeking to eliminate or amend the 2nd Amendment via a 2/3 vote of Congress or a national convention. With a national election coming up, perhaps now is the time? lol

 

I have to ask. Are you an American or from some other country? An honest answer would be appreciated.

 

Not even gun rights are absolute.

The question has to do with how much regulation and who gets to regulate.

 

well the federal government was never given any proper power to do so, so all of the federal regulations rest on turbulent ground with the current supreme court far less enamored with bad precedent than some prior faint hearted conservative courts.

 

Those questions have been answered.

 

Oh, please.

 

You feign ignorance.
Or you aren't feigning.
Either way, the fact remains: Those questions have been answered.

 

Such questions are never answered in any final way.

One can tell by noticing the various changes in gun law.

 

Yours were.

 

For ****'s sake woman!
We've talked about this. Again and again and again. I'm not a Trump voter.
Come up with a different line. I promise it won't hurt you to be creative.

 

For God's sake. Go actually READ the case.
You can tell what the founders considered an infringement or not based on what they allowed during the time when they were setting the laws.
No analog? No gun control. The burden of proof? On he who desires the restriction.
That applies to you too. You want the restriction, find an analog during the founding.

 

The **** are you on about here?

No, I do not. I'm pointing out what you want is unconstitutional and you'll need a constitutional amendment.

 

99% of the anti-gun crowd has a bumper-sticker level of understanding.
Their ignorance becomes willful when they refuse to understand what we tell them.

 

Holy ****. OPERATIVE CLAUSES BY DEFINITION ARE NOT DEPENDENT MODIFIED ALTERED CHANGED OR OTHERWISE EFFECTED BY PREFATORY CLAUSES.

 

Firearms are already regulated. Murder, attempted murder, assault, armed robbery, reckless discharge are all illegal.

The 2nd Amendment is regulated exactly the way the 1st Amendment is regulated.