Biden Israel, Jordan visit: Who will he meet? What are his goals?

Biden Israel, Jordan visit: Who will he meet? What are his goals?

Link: https://www.reuters.com/world/middl...und-offensive-humanitarian-crisis-2023-10-17/

"U.S. President Joe Biden leaves on Tuesday on a whirlwind trip to Israel and Jordan to get an update on Israel's war aims in its looming battle with Hamas militants and stress the need to get humanitarian assistance to Gaza civilians."

Also: https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveb...bas-in-jordan-after-israel-visit-white-house/

White House National Security Council spokesman John Kirby says that while in Amman, "Biden will meet with Jordan’s King Abdullah, Egypt’s President Abdel-Fattah el-Sissi and Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas for sit-downs to discuss the humanitarian situation in Gaza."

Oh? "Humanitarian assistance/situation in Gaza"? What is that?! And, is that going to cost American taxpayers any more than we give Palestinians every year already...?

The White House also stated: "Biden will reiterate that Hamas does not stand for the Palestinian people’s right to dignity and self-determination and discuss the humanitarian needs of civilians in Gaza"

Oh? And with what enlightened power does President Biden know what Hamas "stands for"...? To even a casual observer, it would appear that the tragic events of this month have revealed with crystal-clarity exactly what Hamas "stands for"....

 

I think everyone knows: They want destruction of Israel, and not all Palestinians are behind that idea because they know its impossible to achieve, and that such policy guarantees perpetual war. Biden knows what Hamas is all about, and calls them for what they are, - terrorists. So far US has been 100% behind Israel, and it seems he is going there to repeat that message, and to Jordan to ask them help persuade other Arab countries to stay out of it.

 

Achievable or not Palestinians have been indoctrinated into hating Jews since birth. It is a life long commitment to see the complete destruction of Israel. Palestinians may not always approve of their government’s tactics but they fully support the goal of Israel’s complete destruction.

 

Shouldn't we be sending sentient beings to Israel and Jordan?

What are Potemkin President Biden's goals?

After bending over backwards to accommodate Israel's enemies in Iran, a photo op with the Israelis is in order...

 

Biden Israel, Jordan visit: Who will he meet? What are his goals?

Who cares?

 

So you say, but there are studies and polls on their opinions which disagree with your take. 62% support Hamas maintaining a ceasefire with Israel and 50% say Hamas should stop calling for Israel’s destruction.

So, there is that.

Having said that, their opinions vary a lot based on what is going on at any given time

 

I believe the goal is to exchange hamas prisoners for hostages. Current hamas leadership should be captured and tried for war crimes. Unfortunately, they know how to get their people released. They just take more hostages.

 

Biden could start by promising to federally prosecute hate crimes against Jewish people here in the United States. To stand up and tell them American people that hate speech and actions supporting the same will not be tolerated. The lies being spewed here by pro-Palestinians is disgusting and so few have the guts to call these people out for being inhumane at best and downright evil at worst.

 

For the sake of clarity here, are you suggesting that ALL Palestinians would want the destruction of Israel, you caveat being "Iff it were possible"? Biden pays Hamas. I guess he doesn't actually know who they are, or why he shouldn't pay them.

 

No, studies, polls and common sense suggests its not all (nothing is ever all).

As a matter of fact:
62% support Hamas maintaining a ceasefire with Israel.
50% agree with the following proposal: “Hamas should stop calling for Israel’s destruction, and instead accept a permanent two-state solution"

But since when do terrorists care about what anyone else wants. Lets hope Israel takes down Hamas, and then I suppose Fatah would take over. They are more moderate and after seeing what happened to Hama, they might be willing to negotiate a solution with Israel.

 

Since I had to ask the question, for clarity, perhaps look to hone your language then. Adding qualifiers to statements that suggest ambiguity of your intent surely doesn't add to your credibility.

Worse, not understanding the statistics you've cited also doesn't add to your case. Maintaining a ceasefire doesn't indicate an answer to the destruction of the perceived enemy, just a willingness not to actively have conflict. If, as you first suggested, their reasoning is that total destruction would be unachievable, then why not have a ceasefire? More asking folks not to ask for Israel's destruction seems to indicate that folks don't want folks knowing their real intentions. As a measure of actual sentiment, I doubt your citations support your assertion at this point.

 

Unless they plan on flying Biden in, dropping him off and then flying AF1 and the support planes to a safer country, Air Force One could be a pretty nice target just sitting on the ground.

 

We saw how his Afghanistan photo op on 911 went and it wasn't good.

 

Do you think it possible that the Democrats are considering this as a solution to their Biden problem???

 

Seriously. After that damned fiasco who could blame the Israelis for saying no thanks?

Not this American....

 

Bush Jr flew into Iraq when it was an active war zone and no harm came upon him despite AF1 being a nice juicy, slow-moving target. It will be fine with Biden going.

 

Biden is not going there for a photo op. He is there to show solidarity towards Israel as well as start the building blocks of broader cooperation between Israel and the Arab countries in the region.

 

You didn't have to ask, and no one else did, so it seems you were the only one who didn't get it.

Either way it is clarified now, so you're welcome

I don't have a case so that's a moot point.

There was no assertion, only what I have seen in studies and polls.

The situation is what it is, and what it has been. Hopefully Israel manages to take down Hamas, and maybe the future brings something better, although I fear it will be more of the same.

 

Bush’s trip was kept secret, Biden told the world he is coming.

 

Unfortunately, his post shows nothing of the sort. Evidently, the indoctrination you have received from the LW media conveniently neglected to include any of this:

Antisemitism in the Arab world
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism_in_the_Arab_world

 

I don't think its an issue. Hamas only has unguided missiles and Israeli defenses in Tel Aviv are top notch, which is why the attack last week did not manage to interrupt air travel. Besides, the airfield where he will land it probably not known to anyone.

 

A practicing Catholic is neither a Palestinian Muslim living in the Gaza Strip or the West Bank nor a Jew living in Israel. However, although hatred is taught, it is not all as universal as you claim. And that was my point.

 

Never said there was not anti-Semitism, however to state all Muslims or Arabs hold these views, not even your own link makes that argument. What did you do? Perform a cursory search, saw a title that met your political agenda, and didn't even bother reading the whole link?

From your own link, "While there were antisemitic incidents before the 20th century, during this time antisemitism in the Arab world increased greatly. During the 1930s and the 1940s several Jewish communities in the Arab world suffered from pogroms.[4] The status of Jews in Arab countries deteriorated further at the onset of the Arab–Israeli conflict.[4] After the 1948 Arab–Israeli War, the Palestinian exodus, the creation of the State of Israel and Israeli victories during the wars of 1956 and 1967 were a severe humiliation to Israel's opponents—primarily Egypt, Syria, and Iraq.[7] However, by the mid-1970s the vast majority of Jews had left Arab and Muslim countries, moving primarily to Israel, France, and the United States.[8] The reasons for the exodus are varied and disputed." The cause and effect is what led to the deterioration just as most of the Arab world are pissed off at HAMAS in what they did.

 

Well... whatever else happens, or doesn't happen, it seems certain that Israel won't being its 'clean-up' for Gaza until after Geriatric Joe gets flown out of harm's way. After that, we'll see what's what....

I'm just hoping that he doesn't promise to give away billions more dollars to buy some kind of "peace" with the Arabs. That's been tried many times since 1967, and it never does any lasting good at all. Besides, we in the United States doesn't have any more billions to squander on the Middle East, with all the other numerous problems we have stacked up into the stratosphere....

 

Looks like he’s not gonna meet with anyone lol