Biden Just Destroyed Putin’s Last Hope

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  1. Lucky1knows

    Lucky1knows Well-Known Member

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    President Biden's trip to Kyiv today may end up being a death blow to Putin
    On top of Biden's slap in the face, this war is causing "increasing" losses to Russia that can no longer be explained away by Putin:

    Russian soldier death rate highest since first week of war - Ukraine

    Russian soldiers are dying in greater numbers in Ukraine this month than at any time since the first week of the invation. The Ukrainian data shows 824 Russian soldiers dying per day in February 2023.

    Additionally and also released this morning, there are problems occurring between the mercenaries hired by Putin and Russia:

    12:13 p.m.: Yevgeny Prigozhin, the founder of Russia's mercenary group Wagner, accused Russian officials of deliberately denying his fighters sufficient ammunition as part of an ongoing rivalry between himself and parts of the Russian elite, Reuters reports.

    Since the outbreak of the conflict, Prigozhin has publicly feuded with generals and Kremlin officials, accusing them of insufficient zeal in the war against Kyiv. He has reserved his harshest criticism for Russia's Defense Ministry, which he has accused of trying to take credit for Wagner's achievements on the battlefield.

    Last but not least and announced today:

    Japan to give Ukraine $5.5B, host online G-7 plus Zelenskyy

    I believe Putin will not survive all of this. The only question is how soon will all of these death blows allow Putin to survive. I would say "no more than 6 months, and probably less".
     
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    Oldyoungin Well-Known Member

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    What specifically makes Biden's trip to Kyiv a "death blow" to Putin? The article is cute, but the reality is Biden can't really make any promises extended beyond his term. He's up for reelection next year. Look for this "unwavering" support to fizzle as election cycle picks up.... in about a year. Putin just has to out-wait a dementia riddled president in a hyper-partisan country. Not too tough.
     
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    True..
    America just spent 4 Years (from 1/20/17 to 1/20/21) doing the Exact SAME Thing...
     
  4. Think for myself

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    I think this trip highlights how feckless and impotent the Russian military is from top to bottom. Over 800 Russian soldiers dying a day is pretty demoralizing.
     
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    What makes Biden's trip to Ukraine a death blow is that Russia was made aware of the trip and could not stop it. That is like saying "I dare you" and Putin being unable to do anything. It causes the Russians to lose even more confidence in Putin. Biden is laughing in front of Putin's face and Putin is not fighting back.
     
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    What? How would they have stopped it?
     
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    I don't know but then again, it is a slap in the face for Putin and he has been unable to do anything about it. On top of that, everyday there is more support for Ukraine worldwide and Putin keeps getting slaughtered. He is losing men like crazy, spending money like crazy, and he is not gaining anything. Can it look any worse for Putin among his OWN people?
     
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    This is no death blow. That’s a claim made by high hopes. Hey everyone, the war is over! No need for worry, the president arrived in Ukraine. You know how moronic that sounds? To think liberals blasted Bush Jr when he declared victory in Iraq and now are calling this trip with Biden a death blow? Get real!
     
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    Keep this in mind.

    140,000 Russian soldiers are dead. Over twice as many as the US lost in Vietnam. 46 times as many as the US lost in Afghanistan.

    Russia is losing, and losing badly.
     
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    I think people have to remember Russia has been historically a different beast when it comes combat. They tend to use the swarm of unarmed human shields more than any other nation in the past. They don't care about their causality counts. People who are pointing these out just don't understand how it works.
     
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    Death blow or not, if Putin backs down from Ukraine then guess who’s going to pick up the tab to rebuild that country? I say let Putin rebuild it.
     
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    You make it sound like the Russians should have attacked Biden or his plane. The US notified the Russians that Biden was going to be in Ukraine to ensure they did not launch missiles. The expectation is that they do not target our civilian leader just as we do not target theirs. You make it sound like Biden was taunting Putin to attack him but he backed down. No such thing happened.
     
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    Western countries has stated they wish to make Russia pay but it is going to be difficult. The wildcard is we have frozen over 300 billion is Russian assets since the war began and there are some the want to use those funds. The problem is it is not legal and will probably have long lasting implications. Why would a country like China rely on USD or euros as a reserve currency when that money can be confiscated? If you do not like inflation then that is probably not the route you want to take.
     
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    You certainly have the right to your opinion, as misinformed as it may be.
     
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    We should use that money to price out Putin from purchasing any aid from China. Just up the bid for the goods they offer Russia by $300 billion.
     
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    While the military industrial complex is busy counting their riches in their fallout shelters, those of us above ground can take comfort during our last gasps of breath that we at least slapped Putin in the face.
     
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    Biden going to Ukraine is a slap in the face. It is like Putin going to Puerto Rico or Guam.
     
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    I am not sure if the goods Russia wants is just available on the Chinese market. They are usually things negotiated by diplomats.
     
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    Hey, no one is taking any comfort. Putin attacked Ukraine without any good reason to do so and a lot of people have died. What do you suggest be done, look the other way and show Putin that he can do what he wants wherever he wants?
     
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    What ever Russia is proposing, we can make it more expencive by just giving a counter offer. Starting with their confiscated money I heard is in the 300 billions. And that's what the CIA is for.

    In China's view they would now be losing money assisting Russia.
     
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    It’s not an opinion, it’s a fact. This will have zero effect on the actual war. It’s laughable one would even suggest that. If him sending all of our ammunitions to Ukraine (a move I fully support) hasn’t stopped Russia this visit most definitely won’t. Trust me, our munitions are much scarier than his face.
     
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    Yes but as I touched on in my other post there are huge problems with not giving that money back and using it to rebuild Ukraine. Even if we were to ignore the legal issues if we are to take the money it would jeopardize the USD being used as a reserve currency by countries like China.
     
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    China is a cashless economy currently, all their money is always under threat of confiscation.

    Their citizens can't really spend money outside the country as it is. And people who have family back in China that live abroad are subject to having their families wealth confiscated if they don't behave in China's eyes while here in America or anywhere else they have those secret police stations.

    Shouldn't be difficult for the CIA to up the price of China's weapons through the black market using Russias confiscated assets.
     
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    Keep thinking these things.

    How is it that the U.S. gets into so many wars if no one ever has a good reason to fight with us?
     
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    I don't understand what you mean by that? Usually cashless economy refers to how citizens pay for things. We are talking about a countries reserve currency. I realize that many people in the Chinese big cities rely on electronic payments such as WePay but when I was there cash was still used a lot. I think they are ahead of us when it comes to accepting digital payments but we are on the same road with credit/debit cards, Applepay, Googlepay etc... If anything we started it.
     

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