Biden's Gaza Plan

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  1. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Biden has come up with a great plan that will, at least for not, save the lives of hostages and stop the slaughter.

    It will not end terrorism. And it will not be the end of the conflict. For that, they would need to agree to a REAL two-state solution. So it's not as "durable" as advertised. But at least it stops all this loss of life.

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    I don't see this being acceptable to the far out members of Netanyahu's coalition like Bezalel Smotrich (National Religious Party–Religious Zionism) or Itamar Ben-Gvir (Otzma Yehudit). If it goes forward, the government will fall. It's unclear who will pick up the pieces. The next government can probably form without including Benny Gantz National Union.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Right. They already said they would sink the coalition. However, today a Netanyahu aid came out saying that he seems inclined to accept it.
     
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    Any "peace" with HAMAS before HAMAS is totally subdued will make a mockery of all the sacrifice and all the deaths that have happened to date.

    HAMAS will take advantage and rebuild, and when they are ready we'll see another brutal, horrific crime perpetuated by them, Israel retaliating, and we'll just see it all happen again.
     
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    Sincerely, given that Hamas are known liars terrorists etc., why would the release of all hostages not be the first requirement before anything else were to take place?

    Withdrawing all troops prior to getting the hostages does not make a lick of sense. Ceasefire deals are supposed to require a give and take from both sides. This looks like nothing but Israel doing all of the giving and Hamas doing all of the receiving. When it is all said and done, all Hamas MUST do is give back the remains of all of the hostages that they killed. There is not even a requirement that more than a few have to be alive.
     
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    Israel won't agree to any plan that doesn't 1) return all the hostages immediately without conditions and 2) recognize that israel as a nation has a right to exist.

    No cease fire can be had if they can't agree on those 2 points. Period.
     
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    I dont believe it is an honest attempt.

    Its only purpose is for Biden to claim in Michigan that he is trying to help the Palestinians while appearing innocuous enough to not anger the much larger majority of Americans that support Israel. This is solely about the American election, and nothing else.
     
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    Do we even know if any hostages still alive?
     
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    Reality Well-Known Member

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    Methinks that is the issue at this point. They don't have any living, and the dead ones are going to have obvious signs of torture, sexual assault, and other poor treatment.
     
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    Because they know that Netanyahu is ALSO all those things that you mention.

    Whether Hamas will release them or not... no way of knowing for sure. But there are two possibilities: either the hostages are released, or they aren't. NOT accepting this plan reduces it to ONE possibility: they aren't.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Your prediction is noted and... we shall see.

    I don't make predictions. I will say that this sounds to me like a GOOD plan. It might even work (I don't make predictions about that either) But if Netanyahu decides to just go on with his child-slaughtering campaign, at least the world... and especially Israel... will know that there WAS an alternative.
     
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    You can cast aspersions toward Netanyahu if you so desire. I could not care less.

    The reality is that Israel is in the power position here and would never agree to withdraw their troops to wait until phase 3 so that they can return all of the hostage bodies and any that Hamas MAY be nice enough to deliver still alive.

    The proposal is as phony as a $3 bill. It is about the American election and nothing else. Playing politics with this issue is about as despicable as it gets.
     
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    Its not a prediction, its what Israel has as a stated position.

    That's cool, it wasn't a prediction.
    It sounds like a **** plan: Any plan that doesn't 1) have a chance of succeeding because it violates a basic tenet a side is demanding and 2) which gives away all leverage for nothing, is a **** plan.

    This is not an alternative. This will just start the process over again, and in a year or a decade it will pop right off again and be worse.
     
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    Of course it is! If it were otherwise, nobody would be blaming Netanyahu for killing innocent people, most of them children. This is why the world (including Israelis with a sense of morals) will hold Netanyahu responsible for the slaughter. And he knows it! Will he care? We shall see....
     
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    ...and being in the power position, there is not a snowballs chance in hell that they are going to withdraw troops so that in phase 3 Hamas will supposedly return all of the hostage bodies and whichever ones they may have been kind enough to not kill. It is not realistic in any way.

    The proposal is as phony as a $3 bill. It is about the American election and nothing else. Playing politics with this issue is about as despicable as it gets.
     
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    Oh! Is that why you said it? Nothing more malleable than "stated positions"

    For somebody who doesn't make predictions, you make A LOT of predictions.

    It's substituted by another tenet: the life of innocent people (mostly children). We shall see which tenet prevails.

    The problem with people who LOVE to make predictions is that they are now in writing, and they can be smothered in their face when proven wrong.
     
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    Reads more like Hamas' Gaza Plan:

    "A complete ceasefire"

    I concur with FAW. This political gesture masquerading as a "peace plan" was solely intended to appease the jihadist sympathizers in the Democratik base during an election year. "A complete ceasefire" is clearly a non-starter.
     
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    Is this the same plan from 2005 when Israel withdrew from Gaza, removed settlers from Gaza and let people of Gaza to elect any government they wish?
     
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    Its been Israel's stated position from the jump, and ignoring it is retarded.

    Again: Its not a prediction, its literally their stated position.

    So far how is that working out for you chief?

    Feel free to do that just as soon as I make a prediction.
     
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    If would have been a good plan even if HAMAS had proposed it.

    I know what you're feeling. You believe that ANOTHER success by the guy you have to convince voters can't even tie his own shoes, might spoil your narrative. But the point here is to save LIVES! For heaven's sake, children are dying or left without parents. And we are providing the weapons!
     
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    I don't know, but it will save lives.

    As I have said a hundred times, the ONLY real SOLUTION is a two-state solution. This is not a "solution". Just a plan to save lives.
     
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    Biden has a plan you say?


    Biden has been "wrong on nearly every major foreign policy and national security issue of the past four decades." Robert Gates
     
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    Since Israel has killed nearly 40,000 people, starved the rest, continues to indiscriminately attack civilians, you can rest assured that current Israeli policy is a petrie dish for future terrorists. That's what they're going to get regardless of their dishonest rhetoric about subduing Hamas.
     
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    Gates also said that Trump was beyond repair.

    Bob Gates: Trump is 'beyond repair' - POLITICO
     
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    Yet another prediction from the guy who says he doesn't make predictions. We shall see...

    I see a bit more retarded to believe that politicians on the right will stick to every position they state. History has proven me right and you wrong.

    Yeah... like it was the stated position of Trump that he would lock up Hillary, build a wall and make Mexico pay for it.

    Extremists on the right have a habit of stating positions that they don't keep.
     

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