Billionaires Line Up Behind Biden for 2024: 'Stakes are higher than ever'

By “Multinational corporations” do you include players like the Saudis? How about my favourite person old Rupert?



Trump is not exactly known as a hugger but here he is.
And there is this

https://www.wired.com/2017/01/kim-albrecht-trump-data-viz/

If you do not think he is beholden to big business then you are just wishful thinking

 

They did? Is this “new math”?

 

Abortion is only one of many social issues. I didn't mention abortion at all in my post.

 

I know you didn't but that is the social issue that is most problematic for the GOP and one can be a strong conservative and believe that the issue is not one that the state should be involved in

 

Maybe women just aren’t as worried by this bathroom issue as men are?

 

We are not complaining because we are at significantly less risk with a trans person than with predators like Trump who purportedly dragged a woman into a changing room and raped her. He has also doubled down on what he said on the Access Hollywood tape and basically admitted to “grabbing women by the *****” without asking. He admitted to it

 

And they totally aren't.

 

But, but, but: I thought big business was all Republicans.

 

I guess the billionaires make money out of wars and the common people end up losing money?

 

OK well your original post didn't say abortion, it said social issues, and given the insanity of the left in the current era, that has to be opposed.

 

I think everyone should see the billionaires moving behind Biden and react with alarm.

This says that Biden is the most corrupt president to date yet that we know of.

Biden will take their bribes, and he will open up their way. After Biden moved forward with the oil leases it seems like someone bought him off. He has a price.

 

Maybe Biden’s second term will be better. The domestic billionaires will be buying him off instead of the Russians, Ukrainians and Communist Chinese.

 

Just because you want to change the game doesn't mean you don't play it. Particularly when you can't change the game unless you win. Democrats who are rich vote for higher taxes on themselves too. That said, everybody's hands are kind of tied due to the disaster that was Citizens United. Would need a better scotus or an amendment to get bribery out of politics.

 

I don't think so. I think it just means they think he's better for their interests and want him to owe them something (which is what all campaign finance is for from known contributors, a flaw in our system of government). They think republicans are crazy and bad for business, basically.

 

It's not a losing issue; they just don't fight it correctly.

All it takes to win the abortion issue is to ask a simple question:

Do you condone the killing of living humans who have not committed any crime nor expressed any desire to die?

This is the question that makes cowards out of abortion condoning Democrats. They will refuse to answer the question as it was asked. After Democrats evade the question by attempting to add in words which weren't included in it, refuse to get distracted and then relentlessly follow up with two additional questions:

(1) What species is the fetus, if not human? (source: taxonomy)
(2) What is the significance of a fetal heartbeat, if not the presence of life? (source: global medical community axiom "if there is a heartbeat, then there is life")

At this point, every single abortion condoning Democrat has lost the argument. This could very easily be made into a 30 second TV ad...

 

You are very clever. No one has thought of that before.

 

It's not "a human" because it has no mind yet at the time most abortions occur. Therefore, the question does not apply to abortions. But IF it were a human, do you support forcing people to donate their spare kidney to save lives? Because that's what forced pregnancy would be akin to.

Of human origin, much like colon cancer. The reason we care about human lives, and not the lives of cancer cells, is because the human has a mind. Similarly, we morally ought to care about a fetus once it has a mind.

False, the heart is just a pump. We use it as a shortcut because without a steady supply of oxygenated blood, the brain/mind dies in an adult, but there are cases where one can be alive without a heartbeat such as people on ECMO. And in the embryo, if the heartbeat has not begun by a certain point, we know the pregnancy is not viable.

It's also not at all true that the heartbeat means there's life. Somebody could be braindead, but their heart could still be beating.

This is just what pro-lifers think. They simply do not understand medical science well enough to understand abortion.

 

Like I said... Democrats just dip dodge duck dive or otherwise evade this question.

 

I do vote or play the game. I vote for the candidate who I think will do the best job at whatever office they’re running for regardless of party. When I think both major party candidates aren’t worthy of my vote, I vote third party against both. They way I play the games get both major parties very peeved at me and the like minded folks who vote the way I do.

 

The presence or non-presence of a "mind" is irrelevant as it is not a part of my question. What species is the fetus, if not human?

It is, per taxonomy. You aren't a science denier, are you?

Pregnancy is not organ donation. Continued evasion of questions asked.

Do you condone the killing of living humans who have not committed any crime nor expressed any desire to die?

What species is the fetus, if not human?

What is the significance of a fetal heartbeat, if not the presence of life?

Human origin is not a species. Try again.

If you REALLY want to open that door, then it could also be argued that a zygote (also without a heartbeat) is alive, but I'm purposely setting aside that grey area... I'm sticking with the very "black & white" global medical axiom "if there is a heartbeat, then there is life".

You're also further making my case when you say "if heartbeat hasn't begun by a certain point..." -- That's right in line with the global medical axiom "if there is a heartbeat, then there is life".

Are you telling me that you reject this global medical axiom? Are you telling me that the presence of a heartbeat signifies that a human is dead? TOO funny!

Ergo, since the heart is still beating, there is still life present, even if that life happens to be in a braindead state. Thank you for continuing to make my case for me.

You are the one denying medical science here, dude... YOU are the one denying the science of taxonomy, in trying to claim that the fetus is not human... YOU are the one denying the global medical axiom "if there is a heartbeat, then there is life".

YOU are the one who is required to do these things because YOU don't wish to admit that you condone the killing of living humans who have not committed any crimes nor expressed any desire to die. You also likely condone this killing of a living human for the sake of convenience for another living human. Sad, but that's YOUR moral dilemma, not mine...

 

It's relevant if the morality of abortion is the crux of the issue, and it is. All morality hinges on harm to others. There is no "other" if there is no mind. I'm going to ignore most of the rest of your post because it's just BS semantics, but will try to clear up a few points.

Completely, as would the vast majority of doctors.

No, I am telling you a person can be dead and still have a heartbeat (after braindeath, awaiting organ harvesting), or they can have no heartbeat and still be alive (via ECMO).

No. Brain death is true death. Brain death is the medical definition of the death of a person. The traditional issue of cardiopulmonary arrest is more of a proxy to this that is still useful because it can help infer brain death while being easier to measure.

 

You'd think it would ring alarm bells among the 'we have too much money in politics' crowd as well. ...or, maybe it is, they just arent left wing anymore.

 

It is completely irrelevant. My question does not include the word "abortion" or the word "mind". I'll ask the question again:

Do you condone the killing of living humans who have not committed any crime nor have expressed any desire to die?

Are you telling me that the global medical community doesn't first check for a pulse as a sign of life? They have absolutely no reason at all for first checking for a pulse? hahahaha TOO funny!

"braindead" means that the brain is dead, not the person... if a heartbeat remains, then life remains.

Like I said, if you REALLYYYYYY want to argue that even zygotes, fresh after fertilization, are living humans, then I'm game. But I'd rather stick to the black & white area of a detectable heartbeat rather than any grey areas...

Nope. That is death of the brain, not of the rest of the body. There is still life present.

Wrong again.

A braindead person is alive, and can be kept alive. There is still life present. If that person doesn't have a DNR, then that person is "kept alive"... meaning that life is still present.

You're just plain wrong here, and continue to evade the questions asked of you.

Do you condone the killing of living humans who have not committed any crime nor expressed any desire to die? Do you even condone this for the sake of another living human's convenience?

 

Republicans are pushing culture? Lmao


The republicans are fighting against those pushing the culture wars.

 

Your question is still irrelevant to abortion.

We do and I explained to you why we do despite the fact that brain death is the actual definition of death.

Incorrect. The physical basis of a person is in the brain. No living brain, no mind. No mind, no person. Here this will educate you:

“
A person who is brain dead is legally confirmed as dead. They have no chance of recovery because their body is unable to survive without artificial life support.

Brain death is legal death
If someone is brain dead, the damage is irreversible and, according to UK law, the person has died.

It can be confusing to be told someone has brain death, because their life support machine will keep their heart beating and their chest will still rise and fall with every breath from the ventilator.

But they will not ever regain consciousness or start breathing on their own again. They have already died.”

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/brain-death/#:~:text=Brain death (also known as,is legally confirmed as dead.